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I'm curious as to how many people who are buying the Warhammer and Marauder packs intend on sticking with Lore weapon loadouts?

Why I ask, is both mechs were very dependent on PPC's for their "punch". With how PGI has poorly balanced PPC's, it seems more likely players will dump those and grab laser weapons if they actually want to be more useful.

On secondary notes, what about the Warhammer's iconic SRM-6? Is just one really that useful to justify the tonnage in this game for that size of mech when it could obviously use a few more heat sinks?

What about the Marauder's AC5 mount? Is a single one enough to warrant it, or who's going to chance a UAC and have it jam unpredictably? Gauss?

Side note thoughts/rant:
I don't know. I think with PGI finally releasing the major nostalgic icons of Battletech it made me realize that the awesome things about those mechs and what made them nostalgic to me... are pretty much bad in PGI's version of Battletech and in order to survive to the end of a 12 vs. 12 match, I'd have to bastardize that which I held nostalgic to the point it might as well be just another mech.

[VirtualSmitty]

I plan on running stock/superstock builds for sure, meta be damned.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I'd say for the most part, probably not. I have a Mechlab, I'm going to use it.

I do want to say that I thought the Marauder had a few decent builds stock, so I may keep the weapon loadouts but switch to DHS if not equipped.

[Widowmaker1981]

No one who cares about performance will keep the single SRM rack on the Warhammer, single missile hardpoints are utterly useless, especially at the cost of increased ST hitbox size (people will argue, they will be wrong).

single (U)AC5 is pretty much useless - it will be either 2xAC5, 3xAC5, 2xUAC5, 1xGauss or 1xAC20 on the MAD (or no ballistic, but thats wasting the mech tbh)

[Paigan]

I tried a pseudo-MAD build on a TBR once.
Turned out 2 PPCs and 2 measly medium lasers (even godlike ERMLs) in the arms are worth $hit.

In "real life" Mech combat (as "real" as MWO is, anyway), you need simplified, optimized, efficiently controllable builds (e.g. whole left arm full of homogeneous weapons on one button, whole right arm full of homogeneous weapons on another button)
Not some novel writer's or artist's romantic notion of a cool looking mech.

Edited by Paigan, 13 October 2015 - 06:18 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

With almost all of my builds i try to incorporate at least 50% of the stock weapon loadout, just with Endo-steel/different engine for higher speed, armor and ammo.
(For example, my Thunderbolt 5S has 1xLL, 3xMLs, 1xA-LRM-20, 2xMGs, and my Centurions ALWAYS run the stock autocannons, biggest exception being the Urbanmech 63, which i'm running with 1xAC5 and 3xMLs)

[Lugh]

I've never, not once stuck with a stock build in any mech warrior game ever. Why would I suddenly start now?

(I love you endo steel)

[MeiSooHaityu]

Lugh, on 13 October 2015 - 06:24 AM, said:

I've never, not once stuck with a stock build in any mech warrior game ever. Why would I suddenly start now?

(I love you endo steel)

My Hunchbacks (4P and 4G) are probably the closest, but they are even tweaked as well. Besides, the Mechlab techs are union so I have to pay them regardless of whether they are working or not. Therefore I might as well keep them busy doing refits (when they aren't reassembling my busted mechs I can barely pilot back or are being dragged back in a smoldering heap).

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 13 October 2015 - 06:30 AM.

[Bloody]

according to Lore, there were Warhammer builds with full clan tech in the Wolf Dragoons and Zeta companies. Same with the Marauder and the Bounty Hunter builds, all clan tech but that of course is not romantic " Lore " that fools subscribe to.

so yeah i would love to have that but the grognards would shrivel..

Edited by Bloody, 13 October 2015 - 07:11 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Yes, I will do canon.

People that make Boomhammers should have their fingers cut off

[Alistair Winter]

I would if I owned any of them. But I pretty much try to do that with all the mechs.

I don\t get how people are so nostalgic about buying Battletech mechs and would vomit at the thought of PGI creating new mechs instead of using the mechs from lore, and yet most people are happy to use Hellbringers without weapons in the arms, dual gauss CPLT-K2s or Timber Wolves without LRMs. For me, it's the equivalent of insisting that Harrison Ford should star in the new Star Wars movie, and then casting him as Chewbacca.

[DerMaulwurf]

At least one of my Marauders will look like this (edit: of course with much less back-armor):

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3ad62ca86bf605c

PPC+Gauss may no longer be meta-king, but it's still servicable and preserves the spirit of the chassis.

Warhammer is more difficult and although hideous ballistic-based builds are probably gonna be the 'best', they're still not getting near a min-maxed Timber Wolf. So why bother? I'll probably keep the arm-PPCs despites the low mounting and just forgo the pointless single-SRM. Gives me a different ride to get some variety and I'll still have my TBRs to scratch that meta-itch.

Edited by DerMaulwurf, 13 October 2015 - 07:41 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Alistair Winter, on 13 October 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

I would if I owned any of them. But I pretty much try to do that with all the mechs.

I don\t get how people are so nostalgic about buying Battletech mechs and would vomit at the thought of PGI creating new mechs instead of using the mechs from lore, and yet most people are happy to use Hellbringers without weapons in the arms, dual gauss CPLT-K2s or Timber Wolves without LRMs. For me, it's the equivalent of insisting that Harrison Ford should star in the new Star Wars movie, and then casting him as Chewbacca.

I bet a Kurita general or other high ranking officer thoughr something similar to whomever engineered and demonstrated the first K2.

"You can't have a Catapult without missiles! It makes no sense! It was made to fire missiles. What?!?! You also removed the jump jets to make this abomination! Seize him and schedule the firing squad for 5am."

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 13 October 2015 - 08:08 AM.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

saKhan Ds00 Kerensky, on 13 October 2015 - 06:09 AM, said:

I'm curious as to how many people who are buying the Warhammer and Marauder packs intend on sticking with Lore weapon loadouts?

Why I ask, is both mechs were very dependent on PPC's for their "punch". With how PGI has poorly balanced PPC's, it seems more likely players will dump those and grab laser weapons if they actually want to be more useful.

On secondary notes, what about the Warhammer's iconic SRM-6? Is just one really that useful to justify the tonnage in this game for that size of mech when it could obviously use a few more heat sinks?

What about the Marauder's AC5 mount? Is a single one enough to warrant it, or who's going to chance a UAC and have it jam unpredictably? Gauss?

Side note thoughts/rant:
I don't know. I think with PGI finally releasing the major nostalgic icons of Battletech it made me realize that the awesome things about those mechs and what made them nostalgic to me... are pretty much bad in PGI's version of Battletech and in order to survive to the end of a 12 vs. 12 match, I'd have to bastardize that which I held nostalgic to the point it might as well be just another mech.

I will be ......well..OK; Bishop will be, lol, running PPC/ERPPC or Large Pulse Lasers in the arms. Mind you, on the Warhammers it will ALWAYS have some form of PPC.

As fr the SRMs on the WHM? ON the model with 3 harpdoints, yes, it will use those missiles, somehow. My primary will probably drop it and pack an ac10 in the torso, instead.

Doubtful I will run just a single AC5 on a MAD, simply because with doubled armor, I don't see the point. UAC or AC10.

I will not be running around with some metabore, stripped arm torso only weapon mech. I will, however make it my life's work, to hunt down and destroy such abominations. And yes, I agree with your rant, largely. It's why I wish we had separate Comp and Casual queues. Wouldn't totally solve it, but it would be a start.

Edited by Illya Arkhipova, 13 October 2015 - 08:05 AM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Really just want to run this build.

2 PPCs a Holly & MGs.

[Gravitas]

I'll keep at least one of the Marauder or Warhammer stock for funsies. If you get the Collector's pack, the (S) variant is an additional of the base variant but with CBill bonus so you've got one 'extra' chassis right there.

I've run the 'Marauder' 2xPPC, 2xMLas, 1xAC/5 build on the Cataphract 0XP (saw Bishop post that way back in the giveaway thread) and it's still fun and can be effective. Granted it has ECM so that kind of cheats and adds effectiveness. But I'd say since this is a team game, as long as you communicate and work with your team, any coordinated fire can help.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

Gravitas, on 13 October 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

I'll keep at least one of the Marauder or Warhammer stock for funsies. If you get the Collector's pack, the (S) variant is an additional of the base variant but with CBill bonus so you've got one 'extra' chassis right there.

I've run the 'Marauder' 2xPPC, 2xMLas, 1xAC/5 build on the Cataphract 0XP (saw Bishop post that way back in the giveaway thread) and it's still fun and can be effective. Granted it has ECM so that kind of cheats and adds effectiveness. But I'd say since this is a team game, as long as you communicate and work with your team, any coordinated fire can help.

forgot about my collectors version...yeah definitely a Stocker...is SMM still a thing, I wonder?

That ghetto Marauder/Cataphract is still pretty effective, too.

[CDLord HHGD]

I will keep one WHM stock and it shall be named...

The LOREHAMMER!!!



Edit: This is also a term I coined for WAR when those devs veered away from lore.

Edited by cdlord, 13 October 2015 - 08:32 AM.

[Chados]

I will keep the base MAD-3R stock. But the 3R(S) is getting endo, DHS, a u/AC5 or AC10, ER PPCs, maybe MPLs instead of MLs, and more heat sinks. I'll keep the 5D as it comes and I haven't thought about the fourth version much yet.

Edited by Chados, 13 October 2015 - 08:33 AM.

[BigBenn]

I'll increase the armor on the basic variant (6?) and maybe remove the MG's. Not real sure, I need to see the mech up close and personal prior to adjusting.

I just hope PGI perks the Hell out of the Warhammer's PPC's (+25% velocity, maybe +10% range). Otherwise, the cheetah moggot mechs will devour it.