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[Spleenslitta]

As you know MWO is not like other shooters. We have to worry about heat, weapon cycling or the damaged left torso that contains most of our ammunition getting ripped apart by LBX pellets.
This makes veterans put a lot of pride in our hard earned skills.
It builds an elitist attitude where many (not all) veterans view everyone around them as.....completly incompetent individuals.
These haughty veterans never seem to remember their own failures. Instead they throw abuse at their teammates to lick their own wounds.
Whenever they die the team is to blame.

I've noticed how newbies are politely asking for advice on the forums and ingame.
If you see a newbie in a trial mech and he dies poorly he might ask something like this:
i want a fast mech with JJ's and high energy or ballistic weapon slots.
What kinda mech do you recommend?
You share your knowledge and give him a few pointers on things you saw him do very wrong.
If you're out of the match due to death you might as well do some good by giving the newbie some advice.
He gives a polite Thank you for the help and might even send a friends request.

But if you see a veteran turning his legs while firing his lasers which throws his aim off far to the side and you give him some advice not to do that.
No matter how politely you put forward your advice It's very likely he will throw abuse your way because of the pride he puts in his skills.

I heard a story from a friend. He said a newbie asked for mech advice in a match.
That newbie was warmly welcomed to MWO and he received advice from several veterans.
It was almost as if you could see weirdly colored ponies prancing around on the battlefield under the rainbow.
Really pleasant talk amongst those that had died.

But i just had a match on Caustic where things were quite different.
About 11:30 minutes matchtime left and we had killed 3 enemy mechs but we got our first casualty too.
I will not give any names but the dead teammate said: I hope i spawn with a decent team next time. This team doesn't know anything about teamwork.
We were in the lead but he still complained. It was as if he actually believed he knew the difficulties each and every teammate was facing.
Like he knew about all their weapon loadouts, heat efficiency, every enemy position on the map and who knows what else.

Later on in that match when we were in the lead with 7 to 3 a new player started throwing abuse both in the chat and on the mic.
Said we were all blind in the chat and so many hunted a lone Wolverine.
Then he actually screamed repeatedly in his mic about his entire team being blind in a sharp voice.
I'm glad i had my speakers on and not my headsett. I could hear he was clearly an adult but he didn't behave like one.
He kept throwing abuse at his entire team using his mic for about half a minute.
I couldn't even hear what he meant our team was so blind to. He was incoherent, unclear and very loud.
I know this guy is a veteran because i've seen him around on the forums and ingame for years.

I don't care what kinda mistake a teammate makes. He could even accidentaly teamkill several of his teammates with a wrongly placed artillery barrage.
He does not deserve to have his ears filled with a sharp screaming voice that throws abuse at him.
Moreover the rest of the team has to listen to that voice too till they mute him.

I've tried saying that MWO is just a game and that those that throw abuse and they should relax.
That causes them to focus their anger on me.
Seems many veterans believe themselves to be flawless, infallible and completly unable to do or say anything wrong.
Their word is the LAW.
Every point of damage they do to an enemy mech counts 10 times as much as that done by everyone else on their team.
It doesn't matter if their teammates hit the exact same location on the same enemy mech.
They believe they know everything that goes on in a match....everything.
That lethal gauss Jager accompanied by an ECM mech on the far flank where the haughty veteran player can't see him?
He believes he is omnipotent and omnipresent.

These haughty veteran players aren't even doing this to rile up players for fun.
They actually believe they've never had a bad match after playing several thousands of matches.
That or they just conviently forget all their failures in that heated moment.
All those times when they rounded a corner and suddenly faced half the enemy team and get slaughtered?
Those times are simply forgotten by them. Their teammates might have had such a moment but they ignore feeling sympathetic and throws abuse instead.

So the next time you see a veteran player throwing abuse at his team you should make funny faces at your monitor and say he has liquid ratdroppings as brains.
At least you will be more mature than that abusing liquid crap for brains.

Despite making this thread i'm not immune myself. I haven't thrown any abuse at my teammates for years...maybe i did a tiny bit of it waaaay back in Founders beta.
My elitist attitude comes out when i brag about how many times i've fought multiple opponents alone and dragged home the victory for my team.

With all that said...i'm guilty of being proud of my skill and achievements in MWO and yet i'm ashamed of how haughty i am.
I may not think myself omnipotent but i still shamefully take pride in my pitifull achievements.
How weird it is to take pride and shame in the same thing.

[Lorian Sunrider]

I'm guilty of raging on the rare occasion. But I also try to be respectful and helpful the other 98% of the time.

But honestly, one of the biggest piss offs is having someone getting mad at you for chasing a single mech when you are in a light mech. Thats practically my job. Or when you are the first person that engaged/found them.

[Davers]

Some people are rude. *shrug*

Whenever I see people asking questions in game, they always get answered in some constructive way. The times I have chimed in with advice "LRMs have 180m minimum range, stop wasting ammo/heat" or "SHOOT IT ITS NOT DEAD JUST POWERED DOWN!" have seemed to go over well, and I have always tried to be gracious when given advice myself "Hey Davers, you know they changed the quirks on your Wolverine" or "Davers, your stock ACH build can really be a lot better". Overall, this is a very nice community.

[DjPush]

Wait... You have to worry about heat in this game?

[Tiger Dad]

"Davers, you just killed me. Dead. Bad Davers! Bad!"
"No Davers, it's my other leg that needs to be shot."

I don't think I've faced you yet. But I bet I will utter the first line if I do cause I'm... How you say... "Na so goot."

[627]

uhm... beside some ragequitters we have a rather polite community. I wont say look at LoL and DOTA but...

ok we are not as nice as the kerbal killers but at least we are pretty good with meme trolling

[Spleenslitta]

That's true Davers. I've heard about other games where these kind of players are in the majority.
But even so i just can't stay quiet about this. My teammates do not deserve to have a voice screaming in their ears.

I wish we had an ingame report button. More of these liquid ratdroppings for brains would get temporarily suspended from the game that way.
But i suppose that also means PGI would have to hire a much larger number of moderator staff.

[PurpleNinja]

I'm a noob veteran.

[0bsidion]

It seems like you're over generalizing. I'm a vet and I've never ranted like a angry 12 year old in chat. I've felt like it once or twice, but that's mostly because I'd been playing too long doing an event grind. Once I get to that point I know it's time to switch to something else, no matter how many more points I need to get whatever reward it is.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

wow...and they say I can put up a wall of text....... I'm gonna have to get some assistants to break this down....

[Revis Volek]

We all rage from time to time, such is life.

But i also am not above trying to help players, the issue is most of the time you get a rude response back when you were in fact just trying to help...

Often the players gets mad that you are trying to help him, his ego gets in the way and he gets mad and tells you to "shut up" or "F off" so i have pretty much stopped trying to help someone unless they asked. It not worth wasting my time on someone who thinks they know it all already.

But if someone asks i will gladly because i would have wanted the same help when i first got started.

[FupDup]

It probably depends mostly on which nubs and vets are being sampled...

Though really, it would help IMMENSELY if nubs were actually dropped only against each other until they've figured out the ropes, BEFORE being dropped with people who have played the game for the past 3 years.

[Spleenslitta]

0bsidion, on 13 October 2015 - 01:17 PM, said:

It seems like you're over generalizing. I'm a vet and I've never ranted like a angry 12 year old in chat. I've felt like it once or twice, but that's mostly because I'd been playing too long doing an event grind. Once I get to that point I know it's time to switch to something else, no matter how many more points I need to get whatever reward it is.

That's just another point...i checked the profile of the guy who screamed. He says he is 36 years old....not very mature for his age.
With every 10 matches i get about 6-7 matches with at least one of these abusers in them. And i did say many (but not all) veterans in the early part of my OP.

Illya Arkhipova, on 13 October 2015 - 01:18 PM, said:

wow...and they say I can put up a wall of text....... I'm gonna have to get some assistants to break this down....

You call this a wall of text? Here....this guide i made will stop you in your tracks. It's a 5 posts long tactical guide with maps and everything.
The thread bugged out when i tried to put it all in 1 post.
Non Meta Light Mech Tactics Guide.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

Spleenslitta, on 13 October 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

That's just another point...i checked the profile of the guy who screamed. He says he is 36 years old....not very mature for his age.
With every 10 matches i get about 6-7 matches with at least one of these abusers in them. And i did say many (but not all) veterans in the early part of my OP.

You call this a wall of text? Here....this guide i made will stop you in your tracks. It's a 5 posts long tactical guide with maps and everything.
The thread bugged out when i tried to put it all in 1 post.
Non Meta Light Mech Tactics Guide.

[Khobai]

the biggest problem IMO is the lack of a ticket based gamemode

a single nub can ruin a whole game just by dying and causing an avalanche effect that causes his team to lose. because once youre down a mech youre much more likely to keep falling behind. One or two incompetent players should not be able to ruin the whole game like that...

having a ticket gamemode would be much more forgiving on nubs. but also it would solve a ton of other problems like deathballing, light mechs sucking (light mechs would be worth less tickets than assaults), and pathetically low TTK; TTK wouldnt matter as much if you could just hop in another mech and respawn right away. A ticket based gamemode could even help develop noncombat roles like scouting and command.

Id say half the problems people complain about on a daily basis could be solved with a ticket based gamemode.

Edited by Khobai, 13 October 2015 - 01:32 PM.

[Illya Ghost Bear]

double post, yay PGI FORUMS!!!

Edited by Illya Arkhipova, 13 October 2015 - 01:29 PM.

[MischiefSC]

The biggest problem with any multi-player game is the players, because by and large they suck.

[Deathlike]

I don't think you can honestly overgeneralize the people that play here.

I think the majority of the new players want some help or direction... how they go about it is different.

Then again, there's always that sub-newbie population that doesn't want help.. thinks they know what they are doing, and tells off others. Mind you, there's a few of them hanging around here posting... and serves to dilute a constructive discussion.

There will be arses on the Internets... whether it be in game or on the forums... and you don't have to be a newbie or vet to be that way.

TL;DR

I would say there are more people that are willing to be helpful, but there's enough on the other end that doesn't want to be told what to do... so it is what it is.

[Spleenslitta]

I suppose so Deathlike. But i'm glad i got to vent out some of my own steam.
It just seems to me that it is the veterans because a lot of those players i see throwing abuse are not only repeat offenders but i've seen them around for months and even years.

[CLANBOY FFI]

Well i found most MWO players are good people. We are all here to enjoy the game and for some, make a few friends.

I have a idea, take part in fun event like this one below. You may meet some good people.

Edited by clanboy, 13 October 2015 - 01:40 PM.