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[DieGruneMorder]

40% decrease in Clan-L Range?? Are you serious?? Lets just make the game a LRM contest while we're at it. Who needs all the other weapons?

[InspectorG]

DieGruneMorder, on 14 October 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

40% decrease in Clan-L Range?? Are you serious?? Lets just make the game a LRM contest while we're at it. Who needs all the other weapons?

You didnt read the notes too well, did you?

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Seems pretty good to me. Its only a decrease in max range anyway so you aren't killing people over a kilometer off. If you want to use normal optimal range just target the enemy you are shooting, it even helps out all those LRM boats on your team.

At the moment the PTS has more weapon versatility than I've seen in the normal server in months.

[Deathlike]

Dakota1000, on 14 October 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

At the moment the PTS has more weapon versatility than I've seen in the normal server in months.

I would not use PTS anecdotal evidence as factual data. It's chaotic only because it's literally solo pug testing.

[sycocys]

InspectorG, on 14 October 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

You didnt read the notes too well, did you?

Just 40% and Clan Laser.

[Mazzyplz]

if you haven't played the PTS and haven't read paul's statement/clarification;

abstain from losing it. or at least that's what i would advice.

it is really not even half as bad as you think it is

[Mystere]

Dakota1000, on 14 October 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

At the moment the PTS has more weapon versatility than I've seen in the normal server in months.

It cannot possibly be because people are actually testing weapons, right?

And I'm very sure no one is trying to find the next meta in the event the changes get released.

[Wintersdark]

DieGruneMorder, on 14 October 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

40% decrease in Clan-L Range?? Are you serious?? Lets just make the game a LRM contest while we're at it. Who needs all the other weapons?

You know, when you post things like this, you sound like an utter idiot.

Clan ER lasers still vastly outrange IS regular lasers, and the IS ERLL *also* got the max range nerf.

[JP Josh]

DieGruneMorder, on 14 October 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

40% decrease in Clan-L Range?? Are you serious?? Lets just make the game a LRM contest while we're at it. Who needs all the other weapons?

ya its not like you can attach a mini turret to your mech and when with other mechs that have said turret you become lrm invincible.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Mystere, on 14 October 2015 - 07:19 PM, said:

It cannot possibly be because people are actually testing weapons, right?

And I'm very sure no one is trying to find the next meta in the event the changes get released.

LRMs = new meta, already found it You can outpoke laser boats with LRMs at range now... its some spooky stuff out there. I mean LONG range missiles actually working well at LONG range.

[Gas Guzzler]

Dakota1000, on 14 October 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:

LRMs = new meta, already found it You can outpoke laser boats with LRMs at range now... its some spooky stuff out there. I mean LONG range missiles actually working well at LONG range.

I would just go ER PPC + Gauss in a Timber Wolf and call it a day.

[Kiiyor]

Mazzyplz, on 14 October 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

if you haven't played the PTS and haven't read paul's statement/clarification;

abstain from losing it. or at least that's what i would advice.

it is really not even half as bad as you think it is

^^ This.

After reading the PTS patch notes and leaping headfirst to the conclusion that my Clan machines would be mothballed, I was pleasantly surprised after a dozen or so matches to find my scalp curiously bereft of firmament.

[Darlith]

On my clan account I didn't really feel like the max range nerf to the clan lasers made much difference. Probably because everything you fight is either another clan in the same boat you are, or an IS mech with no quirks.

The lost range to not targeting can be annoying since it is -40% range across the board. Which especially with the smaller (medium/pulse and small/pulse) IS lasers makes them quite short ranged. At the moment not a big issue, but if they go with that idea along with increasing targeting time it seems quite unbalanced compared to ballistics that can still use their full range regardless. Not going to rage and rant over it, but hoping it gets worked out better. Note - unbalanced even in brawling ranges since even the ac/20 will outrange isMLs. Not all lasers are ERLL poking after all.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

I find ballistics not requiring targetting to not be much of an issue, they have a travel time that lasers do not, thus are easier to dodge or easier to miss with. If you can aim well with them they are better than lasers, but they still suffer from the lack of precision a laser can offer, especially at those ranges in which they can benefit from the lack of ability to target.

[Wintersdark]

Targeting close range mechs (that is, mechs you have los to and could target on your own) is and will remain instant. Thus, there's no reason to be firing unlocked medium lasers - you can ALWAYS target a mech you can hit with a medium laser, even if you're in a short sensor range assault.

Press R. It's not hard.


I love that this change forces players to be marginally less bad, rather than never locking targets because they were lazy.

Or, if they insist on being bads and not pressing R, then they'll suffer for it. Either way, I'm happ y.

JP Josh, on 14 October 2015 - 07:52 PM, said:

ya its not like you can attach a mini turret to your mech and when with other mechs that have said turret you become lrm invincible.

my 3x AMS Nova has had a lot of fun on the PTS

[Darlith]

Wintersdark, on 14 October 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

Targeting close range mechs (that is, mechs you have los to and could target on your own) is and will remain instant. Thus, there's no reason to be firing unlocked medium lasers - you can ALWAYS target a mech you can hit with a medium laser, even if you're in a short sensor range assault.

Press R. It's not hard.


I love that this change forces players to be marginally less bad, rather than never locking targets because they were lazy.

Or, if they insist on being bads and not pressing R, then they'll suffer for it. Either way, I'm happ y.

my 3x AMS Nova has had a lot of fun on the PTS

I'd like you quote you on this later when inevitably they add "+1 sec" targeting to mechs for "Balance reasons" and brawling range targeting is not longer instant. A reminder during the last test there were mechs with inexplicable extra targeting time.

[Wintersdark]

Kiiyor, on 14 October 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:

^^ This.

After reading the PTS patch notes and leaping headfirst to the conclusion that my Clan machines would be mothballed, I was pleasantly surprised after a dozen or so matches to find my scalp curiously bereft of firmament.

Yup. As Darlith said above, the reality is that IS ranges are nerfed too - the is ERLL has the same range nerf, and the removal of the near universal Energy Range quirks. Other clan mechs have the same nerfs.

You don't really even feel the nerfs much at all.

[Mad Strike]

lol

[SaltBeef]

Meh on Nerfs I like the rest.

Edited by SaltBeef, 16 October 2015 - 08:53 AM.

[Kiiyor]

Wintersdark, on 14 October 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Yup. As Darlith said above, the reality is that IS ranges are nerfed too - the is ERLL has the same range nerf, and the removal of the near universal Energy Range quirks. Other clan mechs have the same nerfs.

You don't really even feel the nerfs much at all.

Not in the Clans, anyway.

I can absolutely feel the lack of quirks in bad IS robots though, heh. Dragons, LOLcusts, and my beloved Awesome... are all really, really sub-par. You can sometimes take advantage of the generally shorter engagement ranges, but on the whole, I'm going to wait until they adjust firepower and durability before I throw forward the throttles in those death traps on test again, even in the name of SCIENCE.

On another side of the Coin, the Atlas seems to be nearing durability levels from CB with the higher TTK i've observed, unless they meet something like a Dakka Dire.