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[Hotthedd]

Mazzyplz, on 20 October 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

this is a team game; what would happen in the world cup if clint dempsey decided he had better stuff to do at home and ran off the field?

grow up.

if you cannot play a team game as a part of a team then don't play. tend to your baby and play farmville

Is Dempsey a casual soccer player who likes to jump in on teams every once in a while for fun, or is he getting PAID to play because it is his job?

There is a fault in your analogy.

[Mazzyplz]

no there is not i go play every week;
even if you play "casual" or for 'fun', the whole team is counting on you for their own fun

if you bail out you can expect even casual players to get pissed and don't call you the week after.

i know cause it's happened to other friends who used to play with us, now nobody wants to play with them

if you cannot be a part of a team then don't play a team game; it's the only decent thing to do

[Mazzyplz]

it is plain self centered to sign up for a team effort and not show up, in any sport; anywhere - that means you're only thinking of yourself;

i am sure you pee all over the toilet paper in public restrooms and accelerate when pedestrians try to cross the road

you're not the only person in the world; LEARN THIS.

the nature of the game is for better or for worse team based.
if you're going to disrupt this go play a single player thing, or get reported. period

[His Holiness Pope Buster]

I put on a pair of adult diapers when I begin a MWO session so that I never have to interrupt my gaming. It's my uniform. The only thing I wear sometimes. I find it really adds to the immersion.

[Mazzyplz]

Buster Highman, on 20 October 2015 - 10:54 AM, said:

I put on a pair of adult diapers when I begin a MWO session so that I never have to interrupt my gaming. It's my uniform. The only thing I wear sometimes. I find it really adds to the immersion.

isn't that how it was done in lore?

BTW if you really gotta run to do something and i have been there -

go suicide run and do at least 150-200 dmg it's better than plain disco; it might actually count towards helping out your team.


still - if you KNOW you will be disconnecting then lining up for a match is a plain douche move

Edited by Mazzyplz, 20 October 2015 - 10:57 AM.

[His Holiness Pope Buster]

Mazzyplz, on 20 October 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

isn't that how it was done in lore?

BTW if you really gotta run to do something and i have been there -

go suicide run and do at least 150-200 dmg it's better than plain disco; it might actually count towards helping out your team.

I think it depends on the house/clan.

[Hotthedd]

Mazzyplz, on 20 October 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

isn't that how it was done in lore?

BTW if you really gotta run to do something and i have been there -

go suicide run and do at least 150-200 dmg it's better than plain disco; it might actually count towards helping out your team.


still - if you KNOW you will be disconnecting then lining up for a match is a plain douche move

But that is the thing. IRL, you never KNOW that you might be interrupted, or for how long.

Like you said, it happens. And it might stink when it happens to you, but in reality what do you lose? It's a game. It's for fun. The OP was not talking about serial AFKers or DCers.

[xWiredx]

The people in here that are like "grow up, dont drop if you have other things to do" aren't grown up enough to know much about life.

The people saying "if its a once in awhile thing and you've gotta go afk for a minute to do something important, its all good because its just a game and we realize you're not intentionally being a douche" are the people that are grown up enough.

I'm only 30, no kids, 2 dogs, an iguana, and a girlfriend. I know the difference between using the reporting tool to harass a guy whose baby just woke up crying at 9PM and flagging legitimately crappy behavior from an angsty 14 year-old ex-CoD player. If you don't, don't use the reporting tool at all. PGI doesn't want or need your input.

[Lorian Sunrider]

xWiredx, on 20 October 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

The people in here that are like "grow up, dont drop if you have other things to do" aren't grown up enough to know much about life.

Note that several of us are saying that if you are reported constantly enough for it to be a consistent problem perhaps rethink things.

[xWiredx]

Lorian Sunrider, on 20 October 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:

Note that several of us are saying that if you are reported constantly enough for it to be a consistent problem perhaps rethink things.

Yeah, that's pretty obvious and that's why I didn't even mention it. See line 2.

[Roadkill]

xWiredx, on 20 October 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

The people in here that are like "grow up, dont drop if you have other things to do" aren't grown up enough to know much about life.

The people in here that are like "You shouldn't be able to report me for being AFK because you don't know what is going on" aren't grown up enough to know much about life.

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The people saying "if its a once in awhile thing and you've gotta go afk for a minute to do something important, its all good because its just a game and we realize you're not intentionally being a douche" are the people that are grown up enough.

The people saying "go ahead and report AFK players because PGI will investigate and determine whether or not the player is abusing the system" are the people that are grown up enough.

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I know the difference between using the reporting tool to harass a guy whose baby just woke up crying at 9PM and flagging legitimately crappy behavior from an angsty 14 year-old ex-CoD player.

The thing is... you don't. The guy just goes AFK and his Mech spends the rest of the match running into a tree.

If someone goes AFK and doesn't return, report them. Let PGI figure out whether or not it is an abuse. And if you're someone who occasionally has to go AFK for life reasons, grow a pair and live with it. YOU choose to play a team game when you might have to go AFK and ruin everyone else's game. If it doesn't happen often, no harm no foul and PGI won't punish you. But grow up and accept the fact that it's legitimate to report you. And if you get sanctioned for it, accept the fact that you're violating the CoC and deserve to be punished. If you don't ever get punished, then you're clearly not abusing it and have nothing to worry about.

[Mystere]

Roadkill, on 20 October 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Right. And since it's just a game, you won't mind at all being penalized appropriately for breaking the Code of Conduct.

By all means, tend to your screaming toddler. As long as that's a rare case, you won't be penalized. We understand; life comes first.

But if it's happening regularly, you really need to re-think your life choices because you're playing games at a time that it seems like you really should be attending to your family.

The reporting feature is for intentional griefing, not life interrupting anybody's gameplay.

[xWiredx]

Roadkill, on 20 October 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

The people in here that are like "You shouldn't be able to report me for being AFK because you don't know what is going on" aren't grown up enough to know much about life.


The people saying "go ahead and report AFK players because PGI will investigate and determine whether or not the player is abusing the system" are the people that are grown up enough.


The thing is... you don't. The guy just goes AFK and his Mech spends the rest of the match running into a tree.

If someone goes AFK and doesn't return, report them. Let PGI figure out whether or not it is an abuse. And if you're someone who occasionally has to go AFK for life reasons, grow a pair and live with it. YOU choose to play a team game when you might have to go AFK and ruin everyone else's game. If it doesn't happen often, no harm no foul and PGI won't punish you. But grow up and accept the fact that it's legitimate to report you. And if you get sanctioned for it, accept the fact that you're violating the CoC and deserve to be punished. If you don't ever get punished, then you're clearly not abusing it and have nothing to worry about.

The guy goes afk to attend to an infant that just went full-ballistic. It's pretty self-explanatory. There's really no need to grief a new dad into being punished by a PGI support guy when there are plenty of PGI's "new target audience" that type obscenities and toxic crap into the chat or yell it into the mic. My guess is you are in between these two states, mature enough not to be a full-on Xbox Live/PSN troll but not quite mature enough to know when life calls.

Of course PGI will "investigate". They were pretty good about throwing down the banhammer on that initial wave of cheaters. That is probably one of the ONLY times they've executed something excellently, though. A lot of the community that has been around awhile is VERY skeptical of PGI's ability to handle this well, especially when other games with much larger teams and more mature systems of dealing with this tend to throw the hammer down on the wrong people from time to time because of abuse of the reporting function. If Blizzard and Rockstar can make these kinds of mistakes, just imagine how PGI will end up doing.

Besides, its nice to see the voices from the community chime in with their opinions here. It will help us find the crabby people that take the game too seriously already, and PGI can simply ignore reports from people like you that can't handle losing when somebody has to bolt for something urgent that was unanticipated.

[Mystere]

Mazzyplz, on 20 October 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

this is a team game; what would happen in the world cup if clint dempsey decided he had better stuff to do at home and ran off the field?

grow up.

if you cannot play a team game as a part of a team then don't play. tend to your baby and play farmville

In the World Cup, hopefully the team has a substitute.

Having said that, MWO is a video game for shits and giggles, not a high-stakes competition.

[TWIAFU]

BarHaid, on 20 October 2015 - 07:43 AM, said:

GIANT ROBOTS IZ SURIOUS BIZNISS!!!

Sorry boys; I love this game, and I spend real money on it, but it is still just a game.

Good, then play by the rules that EVERYONE has to, no problem then is there?

Or, because it is just a game that entitles you not to?

[Roadkill]

Mystere, on 20 October 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

The reporting feature is for intentional griefing, not life interrupting anybody's gameplay.

xWiredx, on 20 October 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

The guy goes afk to attend to an infant that just went full-ballistic. It's pretty self-explanatory.

The point is that you don't know.

Mech suddenly stops in the middle of nowhere for no reason.

Quick, is it an intentional DC or a new Dad tending to his screaming toddler?

You. Don't. Know.

Report him and let PGI determine whether or not there's been a pattern of repeated violations.

Why is there all this consternation about it? Why are you asking us to make this evaluation when we don't have the data to do so? Why do you care if I report you? If you're not violating the CoC, you have nothing to worry about. An occasional AFK because life calls isn't a violation, so why are you so freaked out about it?

[Mystere]

Roadkill, on 20 October 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

The point is that you don't know.

Mech suddenly stops in the middle of nowhere for no reason.

Quick, is it an intentional DC or a new Dad tending to his screaming toddler?

You. Don't. Know.

Report him and let PGI determine whether or not there's been a pattern of repeated violations.

Why is there all this consternation about it? Why are you asking us to make this evaluation when we don't have the data to do so? Why do you care if I report you? If you're not violating the CoC, you have nothing to worry about. An occasional AFK because life calls isn't a violation, so why are you so freaked out about it?

I think what many are saying is that they'd rather give the player the benefit of the doubt instead of joining the countless masses who will just drown PGi with reports simply because "that's their job to find out".

[Roadkill]

xWiredx, on 20 October 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

My guess is you are in between these two states, mature enough not to be a full-on Xbox Live/PSN troll but not quite mature enough to know when life calls.

Or I'm beyond both of those states to where I understand that a truly mature person does his best to not inconvenience others just to make his own life easier. And that a truly mature person operates within the rules provided, and accepts the consequences when those rules are violated no matter the reason.

This is an optional exercise. You CHOOSE to particulate and accept the rules as they are written when you make that choice. It is immature to argue that you should be excepted from those rules just because of your life circumstances.

[Roadkill]

Mystere, on 20 October 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

I think what many are saying is that they'd rather give the player the benefit of the doubt instead of joining the countless masses who will just drown PGi with reports simply because "that's their job to find out".

That's probably what I would do, too.

But I disagree with telling anyone else to do that because "reasons." Because all of those "reasons" are invalid.

Don't tell me (or anyone else) that I shouldn't report someone who goes AFK in the middle of a match because, in fact, PGI says that we should. If you want to make a personal choice to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, great! But the guy shouldn't expect to be given the benefit of the doubt because he's breaking the rules and PGI says we should report him.

There's no "issue with language in patch"... the OP just doesn't want to be reported for breaking the rules. Because reasons. It is absolutely, 100% correct to report someone in the OP's situation.

[xWiredx]

The United States is often the butt of the "team america world police" joke. Problem is the 'joke' really isn't a joke. Don't be that guy.

If PGI were actually interested in fixing this problem where people apparently go afk and/or disconnect repeatedly, they would do other things: fix the game so it doesn't have the hundred or more issues that can cause this behavior without player interaction -and- put into place an automated system to track when a player actually doesn't interact within the client for X amount of time while their mech is alive or intentionally clicks the 'quit match' button. These are things that are easily possible and entirely scriptable where the information can be fed into a database or even just a syslog where an analysis tool can be easily used. It would result in far less client overhead, no requirement for -voluntary- user reporting that can be abused, and less PGI support overhead since a SIEM tool can quickly analyze the data presented instead of making people manually track reports that come in.

Again, all of this is voluntary and all of it can be abused. There are better solutions that would have taken less time. Don't be that guy. Don't be Team America with the ego who thinks everybody that doesn't move their mech in the first 15 seconds needs to be griefed. It's childish and ridiculous.