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[Appogee]

I was 30 metres from a Wolfhound, carrying CAP, hitting him with a TAG, and just having launched a UAV.

And still my Streaks would not fire.

Does that mean there were 3 separate ECM bubbles covering the Mech that I was trying to target?

If so, is there anything I can do to be able to fire my Streaks in that situation?

Edited by Appogee, 21 October 2015 - 12:06 AM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Yeah, use SRM's and learn to aim.

Beats ECM every time

[El Bandito]

1. BAP only counters 1 ECM.

2. TAG does not counter ECM within 180 meters.

3. UAV should uncover all ECM but the lock on delay will still be there. One might have to wait for 3-4 seconds to get a lock

The more you know.

[Elizander]

So hungry for cheetohs

[Yellonet]

Serves your right streaker... ACH is my top hate of this game, Streakers no.2.

[Navid A1]

Appogee, on 21 October 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:

I was 30 metres from a Wolfhound, carrying CAP, hitting him with a TAG, and just having launched a UAV.

And still my Streaks would not fire.

Does that mean there were 3 separate ECM bubbles covering the Mech that I was trying to target?

If so, is there anything I can do to be able to fire my Streaks in that situation?

Hahahaha....

You may be able to counter 1 ecm... 2 ecms... 3 ecms.... but more than 7?..... bye bye streaks XD

[Appogee]

LOL. They guy who hates Cheetahs also hates one of the key ways to counter them.

Incidentally, I Elited my Cheetahs months ago. I didn't even bother to Master them because they are so easy mode.

Let the Cheetapocalypse rage, I really don't mind. Weapon, chassis and faction balance is now so completely imbalanced in this game that the injection of a few thousand more hardpoint-inflated, ECM-carrying Clan Lights into matches really can't make things any worse.

I usually play with ballistics loadouts. But I'll play with Streaks today just to keep things interesting for myself, and because it's harder to hit Cheeto legs when you have a ping of 200..

Edited by Appogee, 21 October 2015 - 01:22 AM.

[Khobai]

theyre nerfing ecm soon just have to wait like another month

[Appogee]

El Bandito, on 21 October 2015 - 12:11 AM, said:

UAV should uncover all ECM but the lock on delay will still be there. One might have to wait for 3-4 seconds to get a lock

Thanks. I must not have tried to get the lock for long enough. Next time I will just persist.

[D E A D P O O L]

Pretty sure Artemis speeds up lock times for streaks too.. (probably an oversight in the code)

[Appogee]

Buck o Five, on 21 October 2015 - 02:11 AM, said:

Pretty sure Artemis speeds up lock times for streaks too.. (probably an oversight in the code)

Yes, I had that equipped, too.

[Vellron2005]

I have indeed noticed that lately every map I drop on is a GHOST TOWN.

What, is EVERYBODY carrying ECM now?

It feels like its almost impossible to counter it for shear volume...

I can't wait for them to nerf ECM...

[Black Ivan]

BAP counters 1 ECM. Artemis does not help Streak launchers, it is only equiped to standard SRM and LRM missiles.

Since yesterday we have massive ECM inflation in game with the relase of the best possible light Mech at the moment coupled with change in qroup que. Perhaps it will boil down soon, but I don't think so. The ECM spam breaks the game and worse is PGI knew this was comming and did nothing to chamge ECM in any meaningfull way. That is what wehave now, magic Jesus box everywhere.

BAP counters 1 ECM. Artemis does not help Streak launchers, it is only equiped to standard SRM and LRM missiles.

Since yesterday we have massive ECM inflation in game with the relase of the best possible light Mech at the moment coupled with change in qroup que. Perhaps it will boil down soon, but I don't think so. The ECM spam breaks the game and worse is PGI knew this was comming and did nothing to chamge ECM in any meaningfull way. That is what we have now, magic Jesus box everywhere.

[Appogee]

Black Ivan, on 21 October 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:

Artemis does not help Streak launchers, it is only equiped to standard SRM and LRM missiles.

Actually, Artemis does speed Streak lock on times. It's not supposed to, according to BT, but this has been a long-standing "missing feature" in MWO due to Streaks and LRMs using the same lock-on code.

Black Ivan, on 21 October 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:

The ECM spam breaks the game and worse is PGI knew this was comming and did nothing to chamge ECM in any meaningfull way.

It will be interesting to find out what PGI have actually been working on for the last couple of months. MWO doesn't seem to be getting much of their attention, beyond fulfillment of Mech models and art.

Last time it was this quiet it was because they were secretly developing Transverse.

Edited by Appogee, 21 October 2015 - 03:22 AM.

[El Bandito]

Black Ivan, on 21 October 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:

Since yesterday we have massive ECM inflation in game with the relase of the best possible light Mech at the moment coupled with change in qroup que. Perhaps it will boil down soon, but I don't think so. The ECM spam breaks the game and worse is PGI knew this was comming and did nothing to chamge ECM in any meaningfull way. That is what we have now, magic Jesus box everywhere.

Appogee, on 21 October 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

It will be interesting to find out what PGI have actually been working on for the last couple of months. MWO doesn't seem to be getting much of their attention, beyond fulfillment of Mech models and art.

They are busy with the big rebalancing in the PTS--in which ECM does not cockblock missile targeting anymore. After 3 years PGI finally admitted that they messed up with ECM balance and is removing the lock immunity of ECM.

[Appogee]

El Bandito, on 21 October 2015 - 03:33 AM, said:

They are busy with the big rebalancing in the PTS

Even that seems to be moving quite slowly, given the original PTS was more than a month ago.

[madhermit]

Wait for ECM nerf. Until then, if you want to avoid frustration, stay away from LRM/streak and use dualgauss like everyone else. If your ping is poor (aka you cant aim) then laser vomit high alpha.

I for one can't wait for the ECM nerf.

[sycocys]

Welcome to the storm of ECM before the nerf hammer takes care of that piece of long broken equipment.

[Screech]

Because this game will be better with no downside to boating streaks.

[JaxRiot]

Appogee, on 21 October 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:

I was 30 metres from a Wolfhound, carrying CAP, hitting him with a TAG, and just having launched a UAV.

And still my Streaks would not fire.

Does that mean there were 3 separate ECM bubbles covering the Mech that I was trying to target?

If so, is there anything I can do to be able to fire my Streaks in that situation?

Currently ECM is a hard counter to target locks if you are inside the 180 meter bubble of the ECM. It will completely block a missile lock.

BAP, TAG, and Narc can counter ECM, but only one ECM. If the countered ECM is inside the bubble of another friendly ECM, your BAP, TAG, and Narc are countered instead.

Multiple ECM coverage will completely lock you out and it doesnt matter where the second ECM is. ECM bubbles penetrate all terrain. It could be over the hill, in the tunnel below you, or on the other side of a building. It will still effect you if you are within the 180 meter bubble.

You could pop a UAV, but it would be a waste in regards to getting a missile lock. UAV only reveals the mechs hidden from radar. It wont do anything else to negate the effects of ECM.

But there is hope. Coming changes to ECM will reduce its bubble to 90 meters, and they will be taking away its ability to be a hard counter to missile lock.

Until then, keep your BAP at least and stay close to your group. Hopefully they also brought a BAP or two.