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[ACWILD]

Why calling it PSR -> Player Skill Rating if anything you need is just to be lucky to end up in a good team?

We shoud call it WDCIYGJBLAEUIAGT

We Don't Care If You're Good Just Be Lucky And End Up In A Good Team.

[Clit Beastwood]

Centurion72, on 04 November 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

Why calling it PSR -> Player Skill Rating if anything you need is just to be lucky to end up in a good team?

We shoud call it WDCIYGJBLAEUIAGT

We Don't Care If You're Good Just Be Lucky And End Up In A Good Team.

Call it luck all you want, there are obvious differences in drops between a fresh alt account and an older account.

[ACWILD]

Sorry but i can't really get your point

[Clit Beastwood]

Centurion72, on 04 November 2015 - 01:47 PM, said:

Sorry but i can't really get your point

The point is, you're saying it's based on luck and team when it clearly isn't.

[Simbacca]

Well there is that, and even on a win, if the player does badly (like I have done a number of times) - the PSR never goes down...it may stay the same, or somehow go up.

[Wildstreak]

Fierostetz, on 04 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

The point is, you're saying it's based on luck and team when it clearly isn't.

Yet it is based on team.

[Clit Beastwood]

Wildstreak, on 04 November 2015 - 02:03 PM, said:

Yet it is based on team.

If you aren't terrible and your team loses, you go up. That's not your team doing that, it's you.

[ACWILD]

Fierostetz, on 04 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

The point is, you're saying it's based on luck and team when it clearly isn't.

Well try to see it this way.

You don't do ANYTHING in a match.
If your team wins you go up in the psr.
If your team loses you go down in the psr.

The other option are really really marginal.

Whith this example it should be extremely clear to anyone the actual PSR is only TEAM WISE, not PLAYER WISE.

[Clint Steel]

I have had my PSR stay the same on wins and go up on loses.

It may not be a perfect system but it does a pretty good job of saying if you contributed.

The real problem with it is that all your Mechs are under 1 PSR number. So when I'm in my meta Zeus I'm fine, but if I pull out some new Mech that doesn't fall into what is "best" I become an anchor on the team.

[Clit Beastwood]

Centurion72, on 04 November 2015 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well try to see it this way.

You don't do ANYTHING in a match.
If your team wins you go up in the psr.
If your team loses you go down in the psr.

The other option are really really marginal.

Whith this example it should be extremely clear to anyone the actual PSR is only TEAM WISE, not PLAYER WISE.

Are you not aware that a loss where you do well can raise your PSR? That happens because of you - not your team.

This is more of the old "If we win it's all me" and "If we lose it's my team's fault". Take ownership of your performance - once you take ownership of the situation you're in a position to affect positive change.

[Torgun]

Fierostetz, on 04 November 2015 - 02:18 PM, said:

Are you not aware that a loss where you do well can raise your PSR? That happens because of you - not your team.

This is more of the old "If we win it's all me" and "If we lose it's my team's fault". Take ownership of your performance - once you take ownership of the situation you're in a position to affect positive change.

You gotta admit it's kinda hard to get a lot done when your entire team melts in 4-5 mins. Sometimes you do end up in really bad teams that are just hopeless no matter what you try to do. And other times you play badly and still end up going up in rating, because your team is head and shoulders above your opponents. MM does have a large impact on how much time you've got to actually scrape together a decent match score.

[Wildstreak]

Fierostetz, on 04 November 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

If you aren't terrible and your team loses, you go up. That's not your team doing that, it's you.

You didn't read the post correctly?
If your team wins and you have a Very High Match Score, you get the Largest Rise.
If your team loses and you have a Very High Match Score, you get the Smallest Rise the same as if your team won and you had a Medium Match score.
There is a difference between Largest Rise and Smallest Rise, team victory decides which you get.
Sure someone like you cares less being Tier 1 since you hit the ceiling, doesn't make you right.

[Clit Beastwood]

Torgun, on 04 November 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

You gotta admit it's kinda hard to get a lot done when your entire team melts in 4-5 mins. Sometimes you do end up in really bad teams that are just hopeless no matter what you try to do. And other times you play badly and still end up going up in rating, because your team is head and shoulders above your opponents. MM does have a large impact on how much time you've got to actually scrape together a decent match score.

It's *really* not that hard to get a decent match score on a loss - if your team is melting, be conservative, play intelligently, and maximize the time you have left. Shoot shoot shoot.

Wildstreak, on 04 November 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

You didn't read the post correctly?
If your team wins and you have a Very High Match Score, you get the Largest Rise.
If your team loses and you have a Very High Match Score, you get the Smallest Rise the same as if your team won and you had a Medium Match score.
There is a difference between Largest Rise and Smallest Rise, team victory decides which you get.
Sure someone like you cares less being Tier 1 since you hit the ceiling, doesn't make you right.

That's why I said "If you aren't terrible and your team loses" - doesn't matter if it's a big rise or a little rise, you still go up. I'm just tired of people claiming that victories were their fault and losses are the team's.

Edited by Fierostetz, 04 November 2015 - 02:28 PM.

[Torgun]

Fierostetz, on 04 November 2015 - 02:27 PM, said:

It's *really* not that hard to get a decent match score on a loss
http://i.imgur.com/Q9b5OFd.jpg

Yes the almighty screenshot that proves one instance, but say nothing in general.

[Clit Beastwood]

Torgun, on 04 November 2015 - 02:30 PM, said:

Yes the almighty screenshot that proves one instance, but say nothing in general.

I deleted it a second after posting because I don't want to put 20 something screenshots up - one shot's not a statistically valid sample size. I think that when a team starts losing people just "give up" - they power down, hide, whatever. You've got time. Use it to harvest the meat. It's *easy* to blame the team, it's harder to look at what YOU could have done differently.

Edited by Fierostetz, 04 November 2015 - 02:35 PM.

[Torgun]

Fierostetz, on 04 November 2015 - 02:32 PM, said:

I deleted it a second after posting because I don't want to put 20 something screenshots up. I think that when a team starts losing people just "give up" - they power down, hide, whatever. You've got time. Use it to harvest the meat.

Well if you actually read my post, you'd see I didn't say it's impossible, but much harder. That should take someone who's played a while like you a full 2 secs to realise. And it does depend greatly on the MM if you end up in that situation or not. Man it's so obvious it shouldn't even need saying, and really if you disagree with that then well imagine me chuckle and shake my head and leave you to it.

[Walrus Jockey]

In its current incarnation, the Win/Loss part of PSR calculation throws what the whole rating system is supposed to indicate sideways. You could be a so so pilot, but eventually after enough matches you will go up in tier. Even if your skill doesn't go up to match. Eventually, given enough time, everyone will be in the higher tiers and rating will be meaningless.

You see this by how little your PSR goes down when you get a neg on the match, versus how much it goes up when you get a pos. Eventually the UnderHive will all be Tier 1.

[ACWILD]

(Warning: Sarcasm included)

Actually you're right, because getting an INSANE good rating ( 500 or 600 + ) in tier 5 to get the smallest rise when team loses or an INSANE bad rating ( 50- ) to get he smallest fall when your team loses is not TEAM WISE it's just up to you.....

(Warning: Sarcasm over)

To me that sounds ridicolous.

[Kira Onime]

Fierostetz, on 04 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

The point is, you're saying it's based on luck and team when it clearly isn't.

It's an exp system.
Having a good team that can win will make it go up faster.

[ACWILD]

Kira Onime, on 04 November 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

It's an exp system.
Having a good team that can win will make it go up faster.

Yep.

But what i was pointing out is that having a good team counts much much much much much much much more than your ability in that match.....