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[cazidin]

Greetings Mechwarriors. With the changes to armor and internal structure on the PTS I was thinking. While a longer TTK is nice what about us few Streak Crows or Streak Cats, the infamous hard counter to light mechs? I've not had much of a chance to test on the PTR but does anyone think that SSRM may need either a damage buff (2.5/missile?), a tracking buff (focusing on the center and side torsos?) or more ammo per ton?

[ShinVector]

Please take your Clan Streaks and go back to Troll Mountain.

Edited by ShinVector, 05 November 2015 - 07:32 AM.

[White Bear 84]

A great big NOPE. Why would easy aim SRM's need a buff?

[Nacho Cat]

as a light pilot, that suggestion terrifies me.

[Skarlock]

cazidin, on 05 November 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

Greetings Mechwarriors. With the changes to armor and internal structure on the PTS I was thinking. While a longer TTK is nice what about us few Streak Crows or Streak Cats, the infamous hard counter to light mechs? I've not had much of a chance to test on the PTR but does anyone think that SSRM may need either a damage buff (2.5/missile?), a tracking buff (focusing on the center and side torsos?) or more ammo per ton?

Not only no, but hell no. Clan streaks are great at what they do, blow up light mechs. They are terrible against anything with fairly heavy armor. That's fine by me. If anything NORMAL SRMs should get more buffs, not streaks.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

cazidin, on 05 November 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

Greetings Mechwarriors. With the changes to armor and internal structure on the PTS I was thinking. While a longer TTK is nice what about us few Streak Crows or Streak Cats, the infamous hard counter to light mechs? I've not had much of a chance to test on the PTR but does anyone think that SSRM may need either a damage buff (2.5/missile?), a tracking buff (focusing on the center and side torsos?) or more ammo per ton?

You have a point. Problem is not every mech will get armor and structure quirks. In fact so far, the quirk system is a terrible mess on the PTS, with some chassis variants getting armor and structure buffs and others not. Those streak srm's will murder anything without structure or armor quirks, especially lights.

[sycocys]

Can't say that I can think of any reason they'd need a damage buff.

[cazidin]

Then maybe, as a compromise, the S-SRM would still hit random components due to Lights tiny/small archetype but focus on heavier mechs center and side torsos? That could make them more effective against heavier mechs with their new armor and structure buffs although that could be difficult to code.

My suggestion isn't necessarily to increase their damage, that was one idea out of many. My suggestion is to help keep them relevant after phase 3 and maybe a little stronger. I am not opposed to stronger SRMS though. Thank you all for your replies and thoughts so far.

[ShinVector]

cazidin, on 05 November 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

Then maybe, as a compromise, the S-SRM would still hit random components due to Lights tiny/small archetype but focus on heavier mechs center and side torsos? That could make them more effective against heavier mechs with their new armor and structure buffs although that could be difficult to code.

My suggestion isn't necessarily to increase their damage, that was one idea out of many. My suggestion is to help keep them relevant after phase 3 and maybe a little stronger. I am not opposed to stronger SRMS though. Thank you all for your replies and thoughts so far.

Sooo... Say your suggestion goes through... Streak and this only Clan Streaks as you suggested gets this great buff..

With the NERFing of ECM and among other things that will make 'locking on' easier than ever...
Everyone starts who wants easy damage starts running around in Streak crows, Summoners, Dogs.... Etc...

What then ?

Is this your real account ? Or you really haven't been posting till now ?
Also the terribad hit reg problems with SRMs are just plain awful when compared to Clan SSRMS..

Edit:
On a side in case people didn't know...
The only Server Authoritative weapons in MWO are LRM/SSRM.. Basically meaning that these weapons are server controlled and they do not suffer from Hit Reg problem like ever other weapon in the game... Lag is virtually not a factor.

Remember the Kraven.

Edited by ShinVector, 05 November 2015 - 09:04 AM.

[TheCharlatan]

As a light mech pilot, i didn't want to live long anyway.
(but all jokes aside, what about no?)

[cazidin]

Hmm. Fair point. We don't want the laser meta to be replaced with a missile meta. Perhaps I was unclear, I only want a small buff to SSRMS so they can be an okay, not necessarily a great, but an okay weapon with the armor and structure buffs. (Since it was mentioned, SRM hit detection should be fixed too. Also to clarify, IS SSRMs should be buffed accordingly if Clan SSRMs are.)

[sycocys]

Currently the only Streaks that aren't "great" are streak 2's.

No change in that on the PTS pass. Streak 4 and 6 are as good as they were before, just require a tiny bit of thought and effort to make them work - or a UAV - or a teammate.

[LennStar]

SereneChaos, on 05 November 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

as a light pilot, that suggestion terrifies me.

Why?
A cheat dog 1-shot-kills you either way and the crow still scriples you.

Bot are OP even now.

[Nacho Cat]

LennStar, on 05 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Why?
A cheat dog 1-shot-kills you either way and the crow still scriples you.

Bot are OP even now.

Running into a streak crow can hurt, but it usually takes a second volley to leg or kill me (or even a third, depending which light I'm driving and how much cover I can utilize). If I've been a smart pilot, I have stayed near cover and can get away before that second volley is released.

However, if ssrm damage were increased, it would severely reduce the opportunity for me to realize that already limited escape route.

Also, I think I read somewhere that they're increasing the flight speed of ssrm's? Can't recall, but if so, then there's already a buff coming.

Edit: removed repetitive redundancies that I mentioned more than once.

Edited by SereneChaos, 05 November 2015 - 01:31 PM.

[Mcgral18]

The isSSRM2 could stand for that (as well as all isSRMs), but not the Clams.

[Tuku]

CSSRM 2 and CSRM2 maybe but beyond that no SRMs and Streaks work well on the clan side as is

[Mcgral18]

Tuku, on 05 November 2015 - 03:47 PM, said:

CSSRM 2 and CSRM2 maybe but beyond that no SRMs and Streaks work well on the clan side as is

SRMs are largely garbage, actually.

[cazidin]

What about a tighter spread/the missiles focus more on the CT and ST of larger mechs? The missiles would still spread evenly on light mechs because of their size. If not a damage increase than an accuracy increase though the speed boost is nice. Again, though, I'm not sure how difficult this would be to code. My understanding atm is that streak missiles aim for random components.

[Khobai]

IS SRMs and IS SSRMs need their damage increased to 2.5 per missile

Clan SRMs and Clan SSRMs are fine how they are because theyre HALF the tonnage.

Although Artemis needs a buff for both IS and Clans. I believe Artemis should give a +5% missile crit chance to SRMs, SSRMs, and direct-fired LRMs in addition to its other benefits.

Edited by Khobai, 05 November 2015 - 04:44 PM.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

no