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[Lukoi Banacek]

PunisherMark, on 16 November 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

No premium time or anything? I have not paid anything. Now I am not a Everyday player, but I have played a ton in the last month. No movement.

We use alternate accounts for our "Blood Officers" to fight sibkin in for their Trials of Position and all are F2P completely (who wants to invest cash in accounts shared by multiple players) and none of them that i know of are still T5...and most rarely get played. Just enough to level a chassis or two to use in the Trials.

[Vossiewulf]

Lukoi Banacek, on 30 January 2016 - 08:31 PM, said:

We use alternate accounts for our "Blood Officers" to fight sibkin in for their Trials of Position and all are F2P completely (who wants to invest cash in accounts shared by multiple players) and none of them that i know of are still T5...and most rarely get played. Just enough to level a chassis or two to use in the Trials.

GUYS! I'm NOT F2P! Thanks for all the quick feedback, but maybe I should have started a new topic. I'm using prem time and have bought a bunch of mechs, haven't been F2p past day 1.

The issue is that I'm consistently in the top third of scores and dam, usually in top 5 or 6, and yet I'm tier 5 and have never seen the bar go up or down (like I said, if it IS a progress bar, since it's never moved I can't tell).

[DeadEye COTP]

Vossiewulf, on 30 January 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

Oh I'm not F2P, I already own 13 mechs. The Timber is a stock C(C) with advanced zoom, improved gyros, and C ER Medium Laser Cooldown 2.

I just searched for stuck in tier 5.

What I'm asking is those scores for 10 matches look like Tier 5 scores?

It's all relative really. Yes, you do seem to be slightly ahead of what a brand new player would display in terms of damage done. But in the end, the tier is just an xp bar.

I wouldn't worry to much about it to be honest, the gameplay really doesn't change all that much from the lowest tier to the highest tier. Maybe there is something wrong with why you're not gaining anything on your tier, if it's not moving at all that would be very likely.

Edited by DeadEye COTP, 30 January 2016 - 08:40 PM.

[Tarogato]

Vossiewulf, on 30 January 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

Oh I'm not F2P, I already own 13 mechs. The Timber is a stock C(C) with advanced zoom, improved gyros, and C ER Medium Laser Cooldown 2.

I just searched for stuck in tier 5.

What I'm asking is those scores for 10 matches look like Tier 5 scores?

If I had to give them a tier, I'd probably say Tier 3. Tier progress is very very slow. You have to be averaging 350+ damage (not frequently getting 350+, but averaging 350+, there's a difference) to move up in Tiers quickly. In a Timberwolf you should be averaging nearly 400+ to be what I'd consider a Tier 1 player.

Edited by Tarogato, 30 January 2016 - 08:45 PM.

[MischiefSC]

@ OP;

Sorry, we're often a bunch of elitist ********.

First things first -

why do you want to change your tier? There is no benefit at all to increasing your tier. Nothing is better in any way, nothing pays better or changes other than you're going to play against correspondingly more and more difficult opponents.

Second thing -

It's your mech or your approach to playing. You need to use a mouse and keyboard. You probably need to change your settings a bit.

Building a good mech is one of the most critical things - while a great player can do alright in a bad mech an inexperienced player in a bad mech is going to go down fast and early in a match.

Play the trial Timber Wolf or trial Dire Wolf. Get the hang of Gauss. If you have something preventing you from being accurate (you have to use a joystick or some other limitation) then get LRMs, lots of LRMs. You'll climb on farmed damage alone.

HOWEVER -

Again. There is no reason, at all, to improve your Tier. You're playing with people who play in your range for whatever reason. That's not bad, it's not anything. Higher tiers are in a lot of ways less and less fun. By T2 you need to be in meta and you need to show up with your game face every match or you're going to lose the game for your team; you're expected to be carrying every drop.

[Vossiewulf]

DeadEye COTP, on 30 January 2016 - 08:39 PM, said:

It's all relative really. Yes, you do seem to be slightly ahead of what a brand new player would display in terms of damage done. But in the end, the tier is just an xp bar.

I wouldn't worry to much about it to be honest, the gameplay really doesn't change all that much from the lowest tier to the highest tier. Maybe there is something wrong with why you're not gaining anything on your tier, if it's not moving at all that would be very likely.

Good advice and I agree with you and MischiefSC, I'm not really that worried about it, it's just gotten bizarre. I'm quite pleased with my progress in about two weeks total, but then again I'm very familiar with the BT universe and have been playing FPS since before at least some of you were born.

I've made tweaks to my mouse setup (7000dpi, very low sensitivity) and I'm shooting extremely well now and I have the basics of the maps and the game reasonably understood. At least I don't do very much horrendously stupid anymore.

Can someone tell me if the bar I am seeing under the words Tier 5 ARE a progress bar or not? Because it's never moved. Basically I'm not going to worry too much about what tier I am, but I DO want to make sure I'm not bugged so my tier is an accurate reflection of where I am.

Edited by Vossiewulf, 30 January 2016 - 09:02 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Turn acceleration and smoothing off. Turn sensitivity up. If you have a good mouse with adjustable DPI use the mouse to control the DPI.

The bar moves slowly. At regular play it can be some hundreds of matches to move to another tier. So 10 matches is unlikely to be visible without a slow motion camera so to speak.

A sense of progress is important. One thing that can help is just slow down. Pick the slowest mech on your team and stay with him to the front. This will keep you from being first into the firing line which can get you out of position and in trouble. In time you can trust your instincts on where to go and when to go but if you're struggling in T5 you're either too aggressive or too passive. If you're always in the back and uncertain, move up.

Another problem is what's called confirmation bias. You remember things that conform to you bias and forget things that don't. It's not a bad thing, it's how human beings work. It's part of how you build habits and fit into a social structure. It does however make it impossible for you to accurately gauge how good you are at something.

If you were doing really well all the time and winning regularly you would be moving up. The system isn't trying to cheat you, there's no secret sentience trying to keep you in T5. It's just your brain doing that thing it does keeping you from recognizing patterns that are contrary to your preconceived opinions. Quit worrying about match score and start drilling down on specific behaviors - do you always target? Always? How good are you at staying on a single hit location? How is your map positioning? Try to identify good players and just follow them. Stay around after you die, spectate and try to flip around to someone who seems to have a good command of positioning and see what he does.

I get that your instinct is to say 'I already do that'. Again, that's how your brain works. I'm saying your brain is the absolute last thing you can trust about your own behavior. Quite simply if you were doing everything correctly you'd be winning almost all the time. Stepping back from that is a really good first step to actually identifying and changing the behaviors that will make you better at the game.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Vossiewulf, on 30 January 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:

GUYS! I'm NOT F2P! Thanks for all the quick feedback, but maybe I should have started a new topic. I'm using prem time and have bought a bunch of mechs, haven't been F2p past day 1.

The issue is that I'm consistently in the top third of scores and dam, usually in top 5 or 6, and yet I'm tier 5 and have never seen the bar go up or down (like I said, if it IS a progress bar, since it's never moved I can't tell).

When I don't quote your comments Vossie, it's safe to assume I'm talking to the original poster, not you.

As for your issue....I would have to see more of your stats overall to know if you have a bug, or just a slow climb in the tier. Sometimes it can go fast, sometimes not. Since you are only showing us the good games, I cannot tell how well you're really doing over all.

In your TBR, what's the total damage/#matches played for it? And how many matches in it? Just as an example. You might be about to BLOW UP on the tier bar, lol.

Are you sure you're looking at the right place on the bar to see if it's creeping up or not?

[Lukoi Banacek]

And on another note...while it's largely a progress/xp bar, for some folks it will also serve as a cap. Some folks will not reach tier 1 I wager (nothing wrong with that really). They will truly settle firmly into a tier and stay there unless they increase in skill, change their builds to work better with the current game system, upgrade their PC or whatever it is that's potentially holding them at a given tier.

I have friends and unit mates where this is definitely the case and it doesn't matter in the slightest. It's just a metric to help tighten up matchmaking.

[Vossiewulf]

Lukoi Banacek, on 30 January 2016 - 09:11 PM, said:

As for your issue....I would have to see more of your stats overall to know if you have a bug, or just a slow climb in the tier. Sometimes it can go fast, sometimes not. Since you are only showing us the good games, I cannot tell how well you're really doing over all.

In your TBR, what's the total damage/#matches played for it? And how many matches in it? Just as an example. You might be about to BLOW UP on the tier bar, lol.

Are you sure you're looking at the right place on the bar to see if it's creeping up or not?

Those weren't only the good games, those were 10 sequential matches I played this afternoon to demonstrate that I seem to be scoring near the top consistently so still being T5 is confusing me. Well almost sequential I forgot to screen cap two, but they were one loss and one win so I figured it was a wash. Record was only 6-4 in those games but I did consistently well. I just played two more and we won both and I was 2nd match points in both. If I was bouncing between 500 dam and two kills and 50 dam and zero kills, I'd understand I wouldn't make quick progress, but that's not what is happening. Well mostly, I still have Stupid McStupid matches sometimes.

If this is moving, I can't detect it. It seems to me it's been in that exact position the whole time I've been playing.



Stats in the C(C). It was the first mech I used, so this includes 25 or so matches where I died horribly, doing damage mostly to the bacteria in the ground. Dam average is now 327, it was 306 two days ago so it's moving quickly now that I have my shooting working well.

Mech' Matches Played Wins Losses Ratio Kills Deaths Ratio Damage Done XP Earned Time Played
TIMBER WOLF TBR-C 131 67 63 1.06 103 84 1.23 42,858 152,242 18:02:23

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Thank you MischiefSC, all good tactical advice. I haven't tried changing smoothing, thanks I will go give that a spin.

Anyway, if it IS moving and it's just super slow, then this is the steepest multiplayer progress curve I've ever seen, and I was at Kesmai when we did Multiplayer Battletech: Solaris. Standard these days is you walk four feet and pick up a stick and ding to level 2, it doesn't get slow until waaaaay down the road.

Edited by Vossiewulf, 30 January 2016 - 10:01 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

327 is ok for a newer player using the TBR. About average for someone using solid builds, so nothing to sweat. You'll improve over time with practice, understanding of the maps.

Your bar is over the last "M" already, so let's see how many more matches to hit the next couple of letters like when it's over the "E" perhaps in minimize.

Might give you an impression of how you're doing. Your WLR is 1.06 and that means you're about average for that tier actually. Remember your damage scores, KDR, etc are relative to the competition you're facing.

So if you're barely over 50% win rate as you are here, alot of your matches are going to cost you a few points of PSR unless you did REALLY well in it (like 500 damage or better, someone around here figured out the match score thresholds required to gain, stay the same or lose PSR points in a win or a loss).

When you look at the stats at the end of the match, look at your individual stats and if it's a loss, see if you get the dreaded "red down arrow," the equal sign or in the case of a fantastic match, a green arrow like you get in most of your wins.

Edited by Lukoi Banacek, 30 January 2016 - 10:08 PM.

[Vossiewulf]

Ok, thanks folks, I'll consider it working correctly. Maybe it is moving, if it is it has to be moving relatively fast now as my average exp per match in last 50 or so is twice what my current stats say it is.

[Lukoi Banacek]

No worries VWolf...just be careful what you wish for.

When you hit Tier 4, that means you'll be eligible for more matches against Tier 2's

[Xenon Codex]

Vossiewulf, on 30 January 2016 - 10:13 PM, said:

Ok, thanks folks, I'll consider it working correctly. Maybe it is moving, if it is it has to be moving relatively fast now as my average exp per match in last 50 or so is twice what my current stats say it is.

Since your bar is nearly to the end of Tier 5, I would assume it's working. But if you are still concerned, send an email to support and have them take a look.

[Mister Blastman]

If you are not moving up then it is your game you need to improve, not your spending.

Vossiewulf, on 30 January 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:

GUYS! I'm NOT F2P! Thanks for all the quick feedback, but maybe I should have started a new topic. I'm using prem time and have bought a bunch of mechs, haven't been F2p past day 1.

The issue is that I'm consistently in the top third of scores and dam, usually in top 5 or 6, and yet I'm tier 5 and have never seen the bar go up or down (like I said, if it IS a progress bar, since it's never moved I can't tell).

If you are tier 5, you are there for a reason. You are not playing well despite what you think or insist. You are tier 5 because you are not contributing to your team in a meaningful way.

Practice more. Play better. Play smarter and you will climb.

[Vossiewulf]

Mister Blastman, on 30 January 2016 - 10:27 PM, said:

If you are not moving up then it is your game you need to improve, not your spending.



If you are tier 5, you are there for a reason. You are not playing well despite what you think or insist. You are tier 5 because you are not contributing to your team in a meaningful way.

Practice more. Play better. Play smarter and you will climb.

Is this good enough? I'm 6-1 in last 7.

[NextGame]

Vossiewulf, on 31 January 2016 - 12:54 AM, said:

Is this good enough? I'm 6-1 in last 7.

That bit in the middle where it tells you "pilot skill rating change", informs you as to what is happening to your rating based on your performance.

[Vossiewulf]

Mister Blastman, on 30 January 2016 - 10:27 PM, said:

If you are not moving up then it is your game you need to improve, not your spending.



If you are tier 5, you are there for a reason. You are not playing well despite what you think or insist. You are tier 5 because you are not contributing to your team in a meaningful way.

Practice more. Play better. Play smarter and you will climb.

Or the subsequent match? Sorry really don't like the assertion I'm not working for the team.

NextGame, on 31 January 2016 - 01:05 AM, said:

That bit in the middle where it tells you "pilot skill rating change", informs you as to what is happening to your rating based on your performance.

Thanks. All I've seen is up/down/equals, don't see where it says by how much.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

If you keep scoring like that, it should let you go up over time. It's very slow, though, and as others say, don't get too worked up about PSR tiers. I personally would prefer to go down to T4 or T5, where you don't get heckled for running specific mechs or builds... :/

[Madcap72]

My most effective PSR grinding build was paid for entirely with c-bills.

PSR is tied to winning matches. T5 takes FOREVER to get out of, because potato league players do things that make it easy to lose, and when you win, a lot of the times things are either over so fast, or strung out so haphazardly that even on a win your PSR can stay neutral or only get slight increases.

If you want to get out of T5 fast, you have to carry your team to victory every match, or die trying.