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[Mistress Lilium Magnus]

I feel that as a whole PGI generally doesn't have a lot of concern for it's AMD fanbase. I know a lot of people spend a little more money and just go with Intel/Nvidia tech, but at the same time, not everyone bought AMD to save money, just as not everyone buys Nvidia just to be a fanboy (but some of you still do ).

With the rollout of the latest AMD drivers and new API/GUI, the problems are at an all-time high. I have an AMD FX core and an AMD R9 graphics card, so nobody has it worse than people like me. The game studders a lot when being shot by particular weapons in high quantities or during specific events, causes CPU usage spikes that are pretty irregular compared to its average usage, and closing some of the AMD software (which is completely unrelated to the game or driver itself) sometimes causes the game to hang or completely crash. Overall the experience has been pretty poor. Here's the kicker. Before Crimson, I used to tolerate it. Patch after patch, it seems to only get worse and worse with MWO. Now with Crimson, it's just intolerable. It'll lock up for 3-5 seconds when hit by laser boats now... in CW... which itself is still bad (I love you PGI but no).

Overall, this is how I feel: This game is going to flunk if they throw this on Steam now without fixing some of these issues. Steam is an especially broad community and so you can expect just as many AMD users, and this game is absolutely 100% not ready for that -- I've seen games in alpha get more support and development for these exact kinds of issues than MWO has had in all its years of being live. The negative impact may even HURT MWO's reputation and overall popularity, as the good and the bad will be exposed indifferently to the influx of new players.

As of now I've officially decided to stop putting money into the game because it's more or less unplayable at times now, and the patches seem to make it worse instead of better as a year or two ago I could play pretty much fine. Please, PGI. I'm not asking you for my sake, but for the game's own sake; don't release this on Steam without addressing these issues, or we'll all pay the price.

Any other AMD users out there having issues with the latest drivers and the game? Or in general? How have your experiences been, and have they improved as the game's progressed or progressively degraded?

Since someone's bound to ask:
SYSTEM SPECS:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition
AMD FX-6300 Black Edition (OC 4.1ghz)
8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3-1866hz RAM
MSi 970 Gaming Motherboard
ASUS Radeon R9 270X 4GB GDDR5

[Sandpit]

Specs look good. I will say this though, there's a reason I like nVidia. AMD has always had issues of some kind or another. I'd post this in the bus section though. This isn't really "GD". Your'e also more likely to get a good response there than here.

[orcrist86]

Cryengine hates and... Not really a pure pgi thing. I have an octal core and and an nvidia 750ti. I get 30-70 fps. You should be getting similar... But I know the recent amd driver release really borked mwo and has nothing to do with pgi and everything to do with bad engineering from the provider

[Aresye]

Dude, the Cryengine was designed FOR nVidia cards. PGI's got nothing to do with it.

[Mistress Lilium Magnus]

For the love of Kerensky guys, I'm not blaming PGI. I'm saying PGI needs to step up now that AMD borked game compatibility even more, or else their game is going down harder than Titanic on Steam. Nowhere in the OP do I state it is PGI's fault. Don't add context where there is none.

It's PGI's game. It has everything to do with them. For it to remain viable, they have to be flexible about it.

orcrist86, on 28 November 2015 - 07:29 PM, said:

Cryengine hates and... Not really a pure pgi thing. I have an octal core and and an nvidia 750ti. I get 30-70 fps. You should be getting similar... But I know the recent amd driver release really borked mwo and has nothing to do with pgi and everything to do with bad engineering from the provider

I average out about 40-70 as well, with it going as low as 25 in the really cluttered fights. The spikes aren't frame spikes though, as everyone just stops and then magically teleports/changes as though someone hit the lag switch on a CoD match.

Edited by Lilium Magnus the Bloodwitch, 28 November 2015 - 07:42 PM.

[Summon3r]

if you post in the hardware section the guys there are many guys that can help you with your settings, AMD cpu is a rough go in MWO though no matter how you cut it.

[cSand]

I know the game isn't great on AMD cpus... granted this engine was made for nVidias as someone said.

On the other hand I know 2 people who play regularly .. 1 is my bro on an fx8350 and another friend on an older AMD (900 series quad core).. my bro has a nvidia 760 I think. He plays this game with no issues... the other guy has a r9 270 and also has no issues.
Seems hit or miss. I do know the latest AMD drivers f**ked up for a lot of things not just MWO though.
I used to play this on a INtel processor and r9 290... flawless 60fps all the time (I always use vsync). Sometimes dropped into the 50's if there was a whole ton of stuff going on but not more than a few frames.

Also.. compare playing on the "latest" AMD gaming cpu which is about 4 years old now (FX series). That was around the same time as 2nd gen. intel Core series (i5 2xxx etc). I'd be interested to see the comparison between this game on say an FX 8350 and an i5 2500K, with the same GPU and RAM setup


Now, I dunno how you are along with updates on your Windows 7 install, and honestly I'm not sure if these even came over Windows update.. but maybe worth checking out. 2 hotfixes releaed by MS to remedy some performance issues with AMD FX chips on W7. If you try to install it and you don't need it, it will tell you.
This one first:
https://support.micr...n-us/kb/2645594

Then this one:
https://support.micr...n-us/kb/2646060

Edited by cSand, 28 November 2015 - 08:26 PM.

[Mechteric]

I have a 7950 and the only problem I have is the flickering of certain UI bars, like the voting circlet and conquest/assault point cap percentage bars. But otherwise no problems for me.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

yup latest AMD drivers completely borked mwo for me

rolled it back and then the newest patch made it so I can't turn left or right with the keyboard.

I rather wanted those colors and figured I could throw a bit of my time off tonight and tomorrow towards getting them. Since I can't I'll just take my ball and go home. Maybe I'll start planning the paint job for a couple of those early 90s unseen marauder and warhammer minis I acquired on ebay a while back.

[Goose]

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What's "X"?



You be nice to Smokeyjedi when you see 'em …

And thanks for stopping by the Department of Hardware Dept.

Edited by Goose, 28 November 2015 - 08:59 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

CapperDeluxe, on 28 November 2015 - 08:16 PM, said:

I have a 7950 and the only problem I have is the flickering of certain UI bars, like the voting circlet and conquest/assault point cap percentage bars. But otherwise no problems for me.

That's a new problem introduced by the Crimson driver update. I get that too, now, so I'm going to roll back to the pre-Crimson 15.11.1 drivers until they un-phoeck that.

[DaZur]

I run a AMD FX 4100 and a GeForce GTX 480...

While I'm sure Intel blows it out of the water, I can't say I'm disappointed with it's performance.

[Dagor1]

Interesting...funny thing is, I am running a FX6300 OC 4.8ghz 16gb ram, R9 380 strix, and crimson and I have no problems at all.

Course, I have FPS target turned on and set for 65fps.

[Rhent]

I used to use ATI cards until I started to experience issues with their graphics drivers, so I switched to Nvidia. This isn't a fan boy issue, this is buying video cards that work with video games issues. I could care less about a cards specs, but if it can't run games that I play without forcing me to jump through hoops, I don't use that card.

[Y E O N N E]

I haven't had to jump any hoops. This is actually the first time I've ever experienced a driver issue with AMD and I've been using them since the Rage 128 days. Simply rolling back and waiting for the next release is minor.

[Xenon Codex]

I haven't had any issues with latest Crimson drivers, played about 20 matches so far on them. I have an older Radeon 7950 overclocked with an i5 CPU overclocked and Win 10 64bit. Also using the Gaming Evolved app (Raptr) for DVR recording, though I know a few people have had issues with the latest version. I'm just lucky I guess.

[Spheroid]

I have a 2 Gig R9 270. No problems after driver update.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Older AMD/ATI cards did indeed have issues.

Nvidia has always had the edge on more powerful and faster rendering Videocards.

But last video card I bought was a R9-280x, and it was fairly inexpensive, and it runs everything on the market at 80-100+ FPS on medium to high settings for every game I play.

I think AMD/ATI is on pretty level with Nvidia now in terms of performance vs cost.

Now AMD CPU Processors, thats another story, always been a bit of the underdog. Even 8 core AMD CPU's aren't much of an edge vs a good Intel quadcore chip.

[SirLANsalot]

Answer to your Title


It always will.
Game was made with and for Nvidia cards, get with the times noob! LOL

[SirLANsalot]

Mister D, on 28 November 2015 - 10:43 PM, said:

Older AMD/ATI cards did indeed have issues.

Nvidia has always had the edge on more powerful and faster rendering Videocards.

But last video card I bought was a R9-280x, and it was fairly inexpensive, and it runs everything on the market at 80-100+ FPS on medium to high settings for every game I play.

I think AMD/ATI is on pretty level with Nvidia now in terms of performance vs cost.

Now AMD CPU Processors, thats another story, always been a bit of the underdog. Even 8 core AMD CPU's aren't much of an edge vs a good Intel quadcore chip.

Reason for that is much of the software out there doesn't fully utilize the CPU architecture of AMD processors. Plus Intel always has "twice" as many CPU's due to the Hyper-threading.
I have a 3930k 6 core, which means I technically have 12 but each "virtual" core is about 1/2 the power of a real one, so overall I have the power of 9 cores. But then again, not much out there (in games) really does take advantage of more then 4 cores.