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[0bsidion]

I've got enough MCs for Misery or Grid Iron and X-5. I've already got a full set of Stalkers. They were the first mechs I acquired for my alt IS account and they've served me well, in CW and in MM, which is why the Misery has some appeal. A Stalker that can pack a gauss or AC sounds nice as well.

On the other hand, I don't have a full set of Hunchies yet, so the GI would complete it. I do have a full set of Cicadas though. Cicadas are decent enough mechs, kind of an imperfect blend of speed and halfway decent firepower. A missile/energy Cicada is a slightly different spin on what I've gotten used to though.

I'm just not sure which option would be the best bang for the MC buck. Any thoughts?

[InspectorG]

Misery has long been Meta-resistant if you know how to deadside.

X5, one of my best mechs, is getting a slight range nerf.

I assume GI is getting a nerf as well.

THOUGH, yo may want to wait and see how the agility nerfs handle before you commit.
Many heavy and assault pilots may have to re-adjust their piloting.

[Karl Streiger]

To be honest I'm biased.... but i have the GI in my hangar and i had the X5 too....
I didn't get warm with the X5.... the GI is a decent GaussSupport Mech but thats it.

The Misery on the other hand... is the Mech of every MechWarrior Rambos wet dream

[0bsidion]

InspectorG, on 30 November 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

Misery has long been Meta-resistant if you know how to deadside.

X5, one of my best mechs, is getting a slight range nerf.

I assume GI is getting a nerf as well.

THOUGH, yo may want to wait and see how the agility nerfs handle before you commit.
Many heavy and assault pilots may have to re-adjust their piloting.

Unfortunately the sale will be over before I'll have the chance to see how those nerfs really affect things.

Karl Streiger, on 30 November 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

To be honest I'm biased.... but i have the GI in my hangar and i had the X5 too....
I didn't get warm with the X5.... the GI is a decent GaussSupport Mech but thats it.

The Misery on the other hand... is the Mech of every MechWarrior Rambos wet dream

Sounds like 2 recommendations for the Misery so far. I won't deny I've been tempted by it for a while now.

[KodiakGW]

The problem with waiting is that the 50% off sale will be over by the time we know if the Test sever values are being implemented as-is. So far, it looks like the HBKs and X5 are getting acceleration/deceleration and turning quirks to offset the skill tree nerf. Misery is not getting any.

Link to quirks on PTS that is supposed to go live.
https://mwomercs.com...rk%20Values.pdf

[InspectorG]

0bsidion, on 30 November 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

Unfortunately the sale will be over before I'll have the chance to see how those nerfs really affect things.


Sounds like 2 recommendations for the Misery so far. I won't deny I've been tempted by it for a while now.

Misery is the safe bet as long as you have some Assault experience.

[Kushko]

If you already own stalkers and enjoy piloting them than Misery for sure. For me its one of my favorite IS mechs.

[Bud Crue]

Problem with Misery is that it is focused on much like an Atlas. As soon as the enemy sees that ballistic it gets focused on and then you are neutered. If I am running an AC/20 for CW attack I might get a few shots off or maybe a half dozen but rarely more. Sure you will have games where the stars align and this doesn't happen but as a general rule that gun draws disproportionate amount of fire. If you do a build without using the ballistic point, then any other Stalker does it as well or better (and you said you have em all already). So it comes down to your desire to have a stalker with a single ballistics hard point.

Don't get me wrong its a great mech even in light of what i wrote above, but I prefer my other stalkers most of the time (3f with 4 LPL being my favorite).

Edited by Bud Crue, 30 November 2015 - 08:13 AM.

[Yardsail]

Bud Crue, on 30 November 2015 - 08:13 AM, said:

Problem with Misery is that it is focused on much like an Atlas. As soon as the enemy sees that ballistic it gets focused on and then you are neutered. If I am running an AC/20 for CW attack I might get a few shots off or maybe a half dozen but rarely more. .........

Misery all the way, since the the GI is getting 20% knocked off the guass cooldown. Also the whole stalker line is pretty much quirk independent. No real quirks that make or break it, solid mech all round at 85 ton. Yes a lot of times the misery ballistic HP gets focused on, I find loading it up with 2 LPL or 2 LL on the shield side helps. But sucks if people don't focus on it. Another thing I am not 100 percent sure but the AC20 was getting an HP buff ?

Edited by n o x i D, 30 November 2015 - 08:57 AM.

[Sandpit]

My personal favorite mech is my Misery.

[Bishop Steiner]

0bsidion, on 30 November 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

Unfortunately the sale will be over before I'll have the chance to see how those nerfs really affect things.


Sounds like 2 recommendations for the Misery so far. I won't deny I've been tempted by it for a while now.

If this was a year ago, I'd say GI. It's quirks basically allowed it to 4G almost as well as the 4G (sans velocity bonus to the AC20, not a huge loss) and 4H as well as the 4H (again sans velocity, a bit more of a thing with the ac10 due to usual ranges used) and was firing the Gauss at an insane rate.

Old Quirks:
-Gauss Cooldown +25%
-Ballistic Cooldown +25%
-Med Pulse Cooldown +12.5%
-Energy Cooldown +12.5%
-Med Pulse Range +25%
-Energy Range +25%
-Missile Cooldown +15%
-Torso Pitch Speed 10%
-Torso Yaw Speed 37.5%
-Add Armor RT +18
-Add Struc RT +12

New Quirks:
-Gauss Cooldown +10%
-Ballistic Cooldown +20%
-Energy Range +30%
-Laser Duration -10%
-Missile Cooldown +15%
-Missile Velocity +10%
-Accel +60%
-Decel +60%
-Torso Yaw Speed +10%

-Add Armor RT +18
-Add Struc CT +8
-Add Struc RT +12
-Add Struc LT +6
-Add Struc L/R Arm +4

So the new Grid Iron is more rounded, and the Accel/Decel may be very handy. But MWO has not, as yet rewarded well balanced, as much as it does super overspecialized.... and I don't think the new Gauss Quirks are overspecialized enough to make it a worthwhile gauss platform to take of other mechs.

The X5? Well, do you Cicada? It's a little scrappier... but just how good are fragile 40 tonners for straight scrapping? Seems like most CDA today survive by being ECM carriers or snipers.

The Misery? It's still the best Assault Hero, hands down, and one of the best Heroes, period. It's actually getting a miniscule buff, too.


I'd go Misery, all day long, and I'm not even an Assault guy.

[Yardsail]

Misery is also my personal favorite.
Let the launch trailer convince you

http://youtu.be/UpBPfDUfBtc

[Lugh]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 November 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

If this was a year ago, I'd say GI. It's quirks basically allowed it to 4G almost as well as the 4G (sans velocity bonus to the AC20, not a huge loss) and 4H as well as the 4H (again sans velocity, a bit more of a thing with the ac10 due to usual ranges used) and was firing the Gauss at an insane rate.

Old Quirks:
-Gauss Cooldown +25%
-Ballistic Cooldown +25%
-Med Pulse Cooldown +12.5%
-Energy Cooldown +12.5%
-Med Pulse Range +25%
-Energy Range +25%
-Missile Cooldown +15%
-Torso Pitch Speed 10%
-Torso Yaw Speed 37.5%
-Add Armor RT +18
-Add Struc RT +12

New Quirks:
-Gauss Cooldown +10%
-Ballistic Cooldown +20%
-Energy Range +30%
-Laser Duration -10%
-Missile Cooldown +15%
-Missile Velocity +10%
-Accel +60%
-Decel +60%
-Torso Yaw Speed +10%

-Add Armor RT +18
-Add Struc CT +8
-Add Struc RT +12
-Add Struc LT +6
-Add Struc L/R Arm +4

So the new Grid Iron is more rounded, and the Accel/Decel may be very handy. But MWO has not, as yet rewarded well balanced, as much as it does super overspecialized.... and I don't think the new Gauss Quirks are overspecialized enough to make it a worthwhile gauss platform to take of other mechs.

The X5? Well, do you Cicada? It's a little scrappier... but just how good are fragile 40 tonners for straight scrapping? Seems like most CDA today survive by being ECM carriers or snipers.

The Misery? It's still the best Assault Hero, hands down, and one of the best Heroes, period. It's actually getting a miniscule buff, too.


I'd go Misery, all day long, and I'm not even an Assault guy.

I miss the days of the HM Highlander being relevant

Edited by Lugh, 30 November 2015 - 09:36 AM.

[Spheroid]

How about the Hellslinger? Battlemasters are quite good for CW.

[Barantor]

I like my X-5. If you use it more as a big light mech instead of a ecm sniper you will do well. If you snipe/ecm with your CDAs then it might not be your thing.

I can't speak for the GI but a friend who loves Hunchbacks isn't a big fan of it over the other normal variants.

I have another friend who loves his Misery though, so... there ya go.

I have the Oxide, Anansi, Pirate's Bane, X-5, Sparky, Gray Death, Jester, Protector, Pretty Baby and Hellslinger. The ones I do not like at all are the Hellslinger and the current Gray Death, but that might change with the new quirks.

[CDLord HHGD]

All three are fine mechs, but you gotta play each vastly different from the other.

What is your playstyle? Are you a brawler, a skirmisher, or sniper/long range support (how's your aim?)?

[Kdogg788]

I'd say Misery all the way. GI is getting a sizeable nerf and the X-5 is a moderately usable Cicada variant. The Misery can rock several different quality loadouts depending on whether you're a fan of Gauss, AC20, Large Pulse, etc.

-k

[0bsidion]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 November 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

If this was a year ago, I'd say GI. It's quirks basically allowed it to 4G almost as well as the 4G (sans velocity bonus to the AC20, not a huge loss) and 4H as well as the 4H (again sans velocity, a bit more of a thing with the ac10 due to usual ranges used) and was firing the Gauss at an insane rate.

Old Quirks:
-Gauss Cooldown +25%
-Ballistic Cooldown +25%
-Med Pulse Cooldown +12.5%
-Energy Cooldown +12.5%
-Med Pulse Range +25%
-Energy Range +25%
-Missile Cooldown +15%
-Torso Pitch Speed 10%
-Torso Yaw Speed 37.5%
-Add Armor RT +18
-Add Struc RT +12

New Quirks:
-Gauss Cooldown +10%
-Ballistic Cooldown +20%
-Energy Range +30%
-Laser Duration -10%
-Missile Cooldown +15%
-Missile Velocity +10%
-Accel +60%
-Decel +60%
-Torso Yaw Speed +10%

-Add Armor RT +18
-Add Struc CT +8
-Add Struc RT +12
-Add Struc LT +6
-Add Struc L/R Arm +4

So the new Grid Iron is more rounded, and the Accel/Decel may be very handy. But MWO has not, as yet rewarded well balanced, as much as it does super overspecialized.... and I don't think the new Gauss Quirks are overspecialized enough to make it a worthwhile gauss platform to take of other mechs.

The X5? Well, do you Cicada? It's a little scrappier... but just how good are fragile 40 tonners for straight scrapping? Seems like most CDA today survive by being ECM carriers or snipers.

The Misery? It's still the best Assault Hero, hands down, and one of the best Heroes, period. It's actually getting a miniscule buff, too.


I'd go Misery, all day long, and I'm not even an Assault guy.

I've been running Cicadas since they announced we'd be getting a loyalty variant. They can be fun, but they're so fragile they seem like glorified lights instead of mediums. As several others including myself have noted, it's basically the IS Shadowcat. I like them because I can bring 2 CDAs and 2 Stalkers in my drop deck to CW. If nothing else, at least the 3M brings ECM to the table.

I am more of an assault guy than anything else, really. I have to admit seeing so many recommendations for the Misery is definitely influencing my decision.

n o x i D, on 30 November 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

Misery is also my personal favorite.
Let the launch trailer convince you

http://youtu.be/UpBPfDUfBtc

That is a pretty neat trailer, and ballistics is one thing I felt was missing on my other stalkers. I'm not sure if I'd stick with the Gauss, though.

Spheroid, on 30 November 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

How about the Hellslinger? Battlemasters are quite good for CW.

I did enjoy my Battlemasters, but I was disappointed the Hellslinger didn't have any ballistic mounts. Still, most of the Stalkers are in the same boat, I suppose. On the other hand, I don't own any other Battlemasters on my IS account so I'd have to save up a substantial amount to remedy that, where as I'm already well entrenched in the Stalker department.

cdlord, on 30 November 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

All three are fine mechs, but you gotta play each vastly different from the other.

What is your playstyle? Are you a brawler, a skirmisher, or sniper/long range support (how's your aim?)?

My playstyle depends on a lot of things, but many times during a match I'm doing all of the above at one point as the match progresses. That is, if I'm in a mech that is versatile enough to handle it.

My aim is better some days than others. I managed to hit a light in the air with a Gauss rifle the other day, but yesterday I couldn't seem to hit a bloody thing with my AC 20 unless it was right in front of me.

Edited by 0bsidion, 30 November 2015 - 10:30 AM.

[TyphonCh]

Misery. Probably one of the best purchases in the game for a single mech. Very well rounded and the only Stalker with a ballistic. It's a beast

Edited by Team Chevy86, 30 November 2015 - 10:28 AM.

[Ultimax]

Misery.

The Grid Iron is going to be all but irrelevant once the PTS changes go live (quirks being reduced, Gauss itself also being nerfed), and is barely worth it now.