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[Nightmare1]

CygnusX7, on 30 November 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

It's as if you guys share a really thick book with every imaginable thing to complain about in MWO.
You open the book... Look for the next item to complain about and create a thread.

Best.
Post.
Ever.

[Clint Steel]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

There are several posts in this thread that explain why.
It's cumbersome
It's not needed
It's a drain on resources that could be spent elsewhere
It's a pain in the butt to code
It isn't going to be effective against non-vulgar words put together in a vulgar manner
"You moms wet bits" ring a bell?
They already have a system in place.
The system works (obviously based on this very thread)

I have nothing against an automated system personally, but doing so in the name of


is silly and a waste of resources when there's already a system in place that works just as effectively.

Admittedly I may have been a bit over dramatic in that statement, but there is truth in it. I am bothered that others names can be censored crass or otherwise.

As far as the reasons against go:

I'm not sure how cumbersome a check box is to a player.

"Its not need", well that's obviously up for debate.

A drain on resources, in the short term this is true, long term it might pay for itself.

The system I suggested would be just as effective against Implied vulgarity as open vulgarity. The point is the person who realises its vulgar then hides it, basicly crowd sourcing censorship.

Not sure about how hard the coding is, would involve a database.

The system they have in place is a manual, sure it works, but it also hurts some players still.

One example of a name that I found perfectly fine, but was band, was something along the lines of "Can of whoop a$$". Sure someone found it offensive, and the customer support (I'm guessing) is suppose to error on the side of the complaints, however should the person have to change a name that they have gone with for years in MWO because a few were offended. when an alternative option could be put in place that accommodates all?

[TLBFestus]

CygnusX7, on 30 November 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

It's as if you guys share a really thick book with every imaginable thing to complain about in MWO.
You open the book... Look for the next item to complain about and create a thread.

Don't forget that that publisher of the book was PGI. We just got the book....they WROTE it.

[Raggedyman]

Clint Steel, on 30 November 2015 - 02:05 PM, said:

The system I suggested would be just as effective against Implied vulgarity as open vulgarity. The point is the person who realises its vulgar then hides it, basicly crowd sourcing censorship.

I just checked the account creation, and discovered that it doesn't have a "Not allow obviously rude words that you can't post on the forums" filter.

And I have to say, that shocked me.
All it needs is about 50 words (the overtly bad ones are obvious) on a check list.

Not the words biggest problem, but also not the worlds biggest fix to put in place.

[Dirus Nigh]

Not a problem that I should care about. Players should not knowingly make an offensive or crass name.

[Sandpit]

Sjorpha, on 30 November 2015 - 01:29 PM, said:

It wouldn't surprise me if someone made that account only to like that post.

But yes it is a perfect example of the different perspectives, for example I have absolutely no idea what would make that name offensive enough to be censored. The word {LT-MOB-25} I suppose? I mean, I respect that this is a game played a lot in NA and that culture sets the rules, that's ok, but a european game probably wouldn't censor that name. From my perspective a single synonym for penis can't make something offensive on it's own.

Edit: "{LT-MOB-25}"? Lol, that's a pretty funny way to censor I have to admit

Edit2: Oh, I see that penis is ok? At least on the forums. So would "Rockwithmypenisout" be an ok name by US standards or would it be considered offensive too?

That's the other side of things. An automated system is more upkeep and more work on the frontend. You have to picj and choose the words it censors. It's much easier to simply report and delete as needed.

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[color=#959595]however should the person have to change a name that they have gone with for years in MWO because a few were offended. when an alternative option could be put in place that accommodates all? [/color]

if it breaks the ToS yes.

[ShinobiHunter]

Your brain should provide enough censorship, if you care to use it. I feel no sympathy for people that pick vulgar names and have them removed. If you don't want to be Mechwarrior1234, maybe try to have some decency when picking your name. It's beyond ridiculous that PGI has to babysit people to this extent.

Also, I do believe they give you the option to rename your account, if you want.

[Bobzilla]

I'm going to urban dictionary and making up meanings for peoples names, then report them with the link.

Sandpit will be easy.

[Sandpit]

Bobzilla, on 30 November 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:

I'm going to urban dictionary and making up meanings for peoples names, then report them with the link.

Sandpit will be easy.

please do. jsut remember that making false reports can result in being sanctioned yourself

I'm personally offended by Zilla. In my part of the world it means fat and scaly

[Clint Steel]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

That's the other side of things. An automated system is more upkeep and more work on the frontend. You have to picj and choose the words it censors. It's much easier to simply report and delete as needed.


if it breaks the ToS yes.

I'm not sure you've read what i've suggested in the OP, the players would maintain the list, like a comparable to a Wiki I suppose.

[Sandpit]

Clint Steel, on 30 November 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

I'm not sure you've read what i've suggested in the OP, the players would maintain the list, like a comparable to a Wiki I suppose.

PGI can't let the community do that. It just wouldn't work. There are too many that would do nothing but spend their extra time screwing with it. It would take more management from PGI than the current system and even more resources than an automated system.

If those players who lost their names are concerned about it, they can email support and ask for a new name. It's the player's responsibility. They screwed up, take 5 minutes of your time and send an email.

[WazOfOz]

not long from steam release now. many new names coming some of them offensive. there seems to be a new trend of *** for tat reporting of ppls names these days.... I hope the poor sod they put on the job of sorting all these names shows some common sense & not just ban the reported name without looking into it. one only needs to read MWO forums to realise there are many thin skinned mechwarriors out there. gawd only knows what will offend them from one day too the next.
I'm sure there is someone out there that will or has already taken offense to my name, but it's more to do with them not liking my comments than anything else.

Edited by WazOfOz, 01 December 2015 - 12:09 AM.

[AssaultPig]

honestly, if you're the type of person who thinks it's funny that your handle be a racial slur or a four letter word or most of the rest of the objectionable stuff I've heard tell being changed, I pretty much don't care what your opinion is on the subject.

maybe there are examples of people with innocuous names getting whacked inadvertently, but I'm yet to hear one

[Clint Steel]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2015 - 09:42 PM, said:

PGI can't let the community do that. It just wouldn't work. There are too many that would do nothing but spend their extra time screwing with it. It would take more management from PGI than the current system and even more resources than an automated system.

If those players who lost their names are concerned about it, they can email support and ask for a new name. It's the player's responsibility. They screwed up, take 5 minutes of your time and send an email.

True, some would screw with the system. I don't think that many would though, and even if there were many, there is a way to deal with it.

*//For ease of explanation:
<Censor> refers to clicking on a player's name and telling the system to censor it.
<Database> will refer to the list the server gives the user, should the user enable the "censor all names the community has voted to censor" option.
//*

Firstly people who were just screwing around clicking lots of people's names could be ignored by the system in several different ways, such as:

If you censor more than 1 a match, your censors would not be added to the database.

If you have censored more the X number of players your censors would not be added to the database (X being a certain % above the average censor rate of players).

If the player opts out of using the Censor Database, their censors would not be weighted as heavily in the count against the name or not be added to it at all.

The Database would censor a name only if a certain percent of the community had voted to censor said name, (such as .01%) so it wouldn't be affected by outliers as much.
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If the community grows, don't you think this type of system would be beneficial?

AssaultPig, on 01 December 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

honestly, if you're the type of person who thinks it's funny that your handle be a racial slur or a four letter word or most of the rest of the objectionable stuff I've heard tell being changed, I pretty much don't care what your opinion is on the subject.

maybe there are examples of people with innocuous names getting whacked inadvertently, but I'm yet to hear one

Were you offended by "Can of Whoop A$$" ? Just curious.

Edited by Clint Steel, 01 December 2015 - 08:19 AM.

[Sandpit]

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[color=#959595]I don't think that many would though[/color]

I know I say the community here is really good and quite helpful, but that's towards other players. I think you underestimate the havoc a few would create just to do it to PGI. PGI has a very hardcore and dedicated "fanclub".

My point is this. There's already a system in place that works, works fairly well apparently, has the added bonus of a real human review instead of an automated system. There's absolutely no reason to divert resources into creating a new system when the old system isn't broken based on a few people who don't have the social skills and etiquette of a decently mannered 2 year old.

[Melon Lord]

Herr Vorragend, on 30 November 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

Pgi should give them a chance to get a new name. Cultures are different and so are the jokes. In Germany there is a saying "names are sound and smoke". In English its "what's in a name?".

This is the internet and you often will have to do with strange humor or childish behavior. So what? Get over it and move on.

I have the same mindset, but for the other side of the coin. If you pick a silly name (with the full knowledge it may be bannable), and your name gets banned, get over it and move on.

Edited by Melon Lord, 01 December 2015 - 10:45 AM.

[Kdogg788]

As someone who once admin'd an MMO, I can tell you it's not as easy as you think. These things have to be manually done in many cases and per complaint "tickets." The game I was working with had an admin tool where you could go in and access support tickets as well as all account information for anyone on the server. The only thing I couldn't see at my level was passwords. I would go through and scan for different words, using my imagination to find them before people had to complain about them.

-k

[Scout Derek]

Please Keep it on topic, PLEASE. For now I've removed any posts that involved that off-topic and violations of CoC.

[Bobzilla]

Sandpit, on 30 November 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

please do. jsut remember that making false reports can result in being sanctioned yourself

I'm personally offended by Zilla. In my part of the world it means fat and scaly

but i am

[Sandpit]

Bobzilla, on 01 December 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

but i am

In my part of the world that's considered offensive