11 replies to this topic

[Solahma]

It would be very helpful to show ALL of the heatsink values, both internal and external. Telling us what they have changed from and too, but not including the other values that we assume remained unchanged doesn't give good visibility or educate new players.

After reading the Dec 1st patch notes, I have come to the following conclusion for combining the values I had before and the changed values.

Can someone, hopefully official, confirm these are now all the correct values?

SHS internal capacity 1.20
SHS external capacity 1.20
SHS internal disipation 0.11
SHS external disipation 0.12

DHS internal capacity 2.00
DHS external capacity 1.50
DHS internal disipation 0.20
DHS external disipation 0.14

cDHS internal capacity 2.00
cDHS external capacity 1.10
cDHS internal disipation 0.20
cDHS external disipation 0.15

Edited by Solahma, 01 December 2015 - 06:28 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

yeah .... 12 values were there was once just 6 and should be just 3 (SHS;ISDHS;CDHS)

i don't think any official can confirm because they are maximum baffled by their own values.
I think they look right, but of course internal and external are not correct -you have to write first 10 if not external

so its for example:
cDHS fixed 10 when internal: 2.00
cDHS external and everything > 10

And considering the impact of those negligible changes, i really ask my self why to make it simple when you have it complex.

(Yo PGI: SHS 1.2; ISDHS 1.7. CDHS 1.65 ggclose
Or when you want to add a sting for the heat system: SHS 1; DHS 1.4; CDHS 1.35
thats it...dissipation always 1/10th of the cap(-30)

Edited by Karl Streiger, 01 December 2015 - 06:43 AM.

[Solahma]

Karl Streiger, on 01 December 2015 - 06:41 AM, said:

but of course internal and external are not correct -you have to write first 10 if not external

so its for example:
cDHS fixed 10 when internal: 2.00
cDHS external and everything > 10

Okay, your post was a little difficult to understand, but correct me if i'm wrong with my understanding of it. You're simply clarifying that "internal" does not include addition heatsinks added to an engine. In the case of a STD300 engine, you can add 2 additional heatsinks, but they would follow the 'external' heatsink values even though they are technically inside the engine.

Yes, I understand this. That's how it works. But there are still only 2 sets of values to use. "locked" engine heatsinks follow the 'internal' values, while any player-added heatsinks will always follow the 'external' heatsink values.

I think I understood what you were trying to say, but correct me if i'm wrong please. There should still only be the values I have shown to choose from.

[Karl Streiger]

Solahma, on 01 December 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

Yes, I understand this. That's how it works. But there are still only 2 sets of values to use. "locked" engine heatsinks follow the 'internal' values, while any player-added heatsinks will always follow the 'external' heatsink values.

I think I understood what you were trying to say, but correct me if i'm wrong please. There should still only be the values I have shown to choose from.

you can use smurfy:

TBR-PRIME
go into the weaponlab - heat cap of 57 (30 + 10 internals + 5 externals)

ADR-PRIME
weapon lab says heat cap 48.8 (30+8 internals(2) + 2 externals(1.4)

as said it was complex in a bad way and they made it even worse

Edited by Karl Streiger, 01 December 2015 - 07:35 AM.

[Solahma]

Karl Streiger, on 01 December 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

you can use smurfy:

TBR-PRIME
go into the weaponlab - heat cap of 57 (30 + 10 internals + 5 externals)

ADR-PRIME
weapon lab says heat cap 48.8 (30+8 internals(2) + 2 externals(1.4)

as said it was complex in a bad way and they made it even worse

Yeah, based on your examples, my understanding is correct. I plug the values into my spreadsheet and then you can choose between SHS, DHS, and C-DHS then it will lookup the appropriate values to plug into my Heat Capacity and Heat Dissipation formulas.

[Karl Streiger]

Solahma, on 01 December 2015 - 07:47 AM, said:

Yeah, based on your examples, my understanding is correct. I plug the values into my spreadsheet and then you can choose between SHS, DHS, and C-DHS then it will lookup the appropriate values to plug into my Heat Capacity and Heat Dissipation formulas.

of course you just have to know the difference between internals and externals.
because those 5 additional "locked" heatsink on the TimberWolf could me miss interpreted as "internals" because they are mount in the engine

[Solahma]

Karl Streiger, on 01 December 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

of course you just have to know the difference between internals and externals.
because those 5 additional "locked" heatsink on the TimberWolf could me miss interpreted as "internals" because they are mount in the engine

Which is why I just call them 'internal', but I agree that it can be misleading regardless of what simplified name you give them. 'internal locked' is probably the most accurate.

[Solahma]

It's also VERY odd the SHS inside the engine cool at a lower rate than SHS outside the engine...

Why not make ALL SHS 0.12? No reason for them to have different rates.

Quote

• IS Single Heat Sinks is having its cooling rate increased from 0.10 to 0.12.
• IS Single Heat Sinks that are inside the engine will have their cooling increased from 0.1 to 0.11.

Edited by Solahma, 01 December 2015 - 08:38 AM.

[Surn]

Well, as an IS player.. I do think that a clan DHS would have at minimum 2/3 the heat cap of a 3 slot IS dual heatsink.

1.1 vs 1.5 should probably be 1.33 vs 1.5 ..

Edited by MechregSurn, 01 December 2015 - 12:46 PM.

[MountainCopper]

As far as I remember it, "internal" means the heat sinks which are hard-wired in an engine. It does not include heat sinks which can be "stored" inside the engine because of additional space (engine ratings 275 and above). Yes, it is confusing.

Concerning the buff to single heat sinks, it appears to me that SHS are still not the first choice for most builds?
With SHS now being improved to being 40-50% less efficient compared to DHS, a build would roughly need at least 1.5x as many SHS to reach the cooling power of DHS.
And as this additional tonnage will most often come from savings through endo-steel, this almost never will be a better result than taking DHS.

That's my impression after some quick and rough calculations.

[Idealsuspect]

MechregSurn, on 01 December 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Well, as an IS player.. I do think that a clan DHS would have at minimum 2/3 the heat cap of a 3 slot IS dual heatsink.

1.1 vs 1.5 should probably be 1.33 vs 1.5 ..

Lol maybe in one year xD

For my part double heatsink IS or Clan should just have same heat cap...
Anyway everybody take IS mechs, abandon CW and THANK PGI

[Solahma]

GoldenFleece, on 01 December 2015 - 02:43 PM, said:

As far as I remember it, "internal" means the heat sinks which are hard-wired in an engine. It does not include heat sinks which can be "stored" inside the engine because of additional space (engine ratings 275 and above). Yes, it is confusing.

You are correct, this was always my understanding.

I am, however, trying to confirm that all of these values I listed in the OP are correct.

Edited by Solahma, 02 December 2015 - 07:00 AM.