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[darqsyde]

Here...happy now Goose?
1920x1080, Motion Blur Low, No AA, Everything else VH/On. FRTC 60.

Edited by darqsyde, 06 December 2015 - 10:46 AM.

[MavRCK]

As crazy as this sounds, finding a used i5 k series intel system is the way to go...

there is no resale value of a PC.. just get something cheap and you'll kickass with your video card!

[Kaptain]

The pentium chip is a cool chip with its overclocking but some games will not even let you play at all on 2 cores. GTA5 and Tomb Raider come to mind. The 3.7 ghz I3 while only 2 cores + 2 virtual cores is a great chip for the money. Minimum FPS with a 760 in mwo on high @1080 was 50 in most games. That's far better than the AMD build at 4.5ghz I tried prior.

The MSI mate is a great board for the money. I am convinced the people who say it was DOA don't realize the power connector is not supported and are bending/cracking/killing their own boards.

[MavRCK]

Kaptain, on 06 December 2015 - 11:27 PM, said:

The pentium chip is a cool chip with its overclocking but some games will not even let you play at all on 2 cores. GTA5 and Tomb Raider come to mind. The 3.7 ghz I3 while only 2 cores + 2 virtual cores is a great chip for the money. Minimum FPS with a 760 in mwo on high @1080 was 50 in most games. That's far better than the AMD build at 4.5ghz I tried prior.

The MSI mate is a great board for the money. I am convinced the people who say it was DOA don't realize the power connector is not supported and are bending/cracking/killing their own boards.

The problem with dual-cores (HT doesn't change this)... is that MWO / Cryengine / Star Citizen prefers quad cores and up - real cores.

[Kaptain]

MavRCK, on 07 December 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

The problem with dual-cores (HT doesn't change this)... is that MWO / Cryengine / Star Citizen prefers quad cores and up - real cores.

"Prefer" and "performs just fine on" are different things. Take a socket 1150 or 1151 i5, disable 2 cores and clock it to 3.7... Runs mwo great on high at 1080p.

Some people don't understand the word "budget". Our friend here has a "budget" of $200 and that makes the I3 the best bet.

[MavRCK]

Kaptain, on 07 December 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

"Prefer" and "performs just fine on" are different things. Take a socket 1150 or 1151 i5, disable 2 cores and clock it to 3.7... Runs mwo great on high at 1080p.

Some people don't understand the word "budget". Our friend here has a "budget" of $200 and that makes the I3 the best bet.

MWO performs like 'crap' on dual cores.

Buy a used quad-core i5 - i7. Don't waste your money on dual-cores - even dual cores i3s or i5s. The Crysis numbers don't lie.

You're giving him advice that is a sidegrade from his current machine - i.e. what is the point? It's a waste of $200.

[MavRCK]

http://mwomercs.com/...ts/page__st__60

Read this thread and see how AMD machines are just not performing.

Some people say just fine.. but imo, 20 fps is garbage.

A dual-core machine will perform like those machines costing $$$ more.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

MavRCK, on 08 December 2015 - 06:23 AM, said:

MWO performs like 'crap' on dual cores.

Buy a used quad-core i5 - i7. Don't waste your money on dual-cores - even dual cores i3s or i5s. The Crysis numbers don't lie.

You're giving him advice that is a sidegrade from his current machine - i.e. what is the point? It's a waste of $200.

Incorrect MWO performs fine on an overclocked Pentium K - A dual core, it has also been shown to perform fine on I3's (haswell so by extension the better skylake).

The pentium K is easily capable of 40FPS+

But you won't be doing any streaming etc alongside playing.

Edited by DV McKenna, 08 December 2015 - 07:17 AM.

[MavRCK]

DV McKenna, on 08 December 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

Incorrect MWO performs fine on an overclocked Pentium K - A dual core, it has also been shown to perform fine on I3's (haswell so by extension the better skylake).

The pentium K is easily capable of 40FPS+

But you won't be doing any streaming etc alongside playing.

With all respect to McKenna - who knows his stuff.. o7.. I'm on the side of Goose here and remain dubious!

http://mwomercs.com/...et/page__st__20

Heavily tweaked Pentium K dual core?

But the numbers show 40 fps+ - if that's okay with the OP then fine.

Can the motherboard accept an i5 (i5 k-series) in the future? That might be a consideration too.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

MavRCK, on 08 December 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

With all respect to McKenna - who knows his stuff.. o7.. I'm on the side of Goose here and remain dubious!

http://mwomercs.com/...et/page__st__20

Heavily tweaked Pentium K dual core?

But the numbers show 40 fps+ - if that's okay with the OP then fine.

Can the motherboard accept an i5 (i5 k-series) in the future? That might be a consideration too.

I can only comment based on the fact i actually played MWO with a Pentium K @ 4.5Ghz and a 560TI 448 and achieved 40FPS+

River City Mix of Medium/High settings a single dip below 40 and im led to believe the game optimisation has got better since i did these 12 months ago.


Flapdrol also used to play on one, no idea if he still does.

The PK is capable, and i would imagine the I3 Skylakes are probably better. What needs to be understood is that chips like the PK will play games acceptably but you won't be doing much in the background with one (The less the better)

Edited by DV McKenna, 08 December 2015 - 08:47 AM.

[MavRCK]

Didn't you overclock the snot out of your Pentium K?

I feel like fps has drop significantly on CW and the new maps so 60 fps is really key for a smooth experience. (CW is crazy with its fps drops! like 30% vs public drops).

Nevertheless, I'd defer to McKenna here if he says so. His numbers don't lie.

Edited by MavRCK, 08 December 2015 - 08:54 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

MavRCK, on 08 December 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

Didn't you overclock the snot out of your Pentium K?

I feel like fps has drop significantly on CW and the new maps so 60 fps is really key for a smooth experience. (CW is crazy with its fps drops! like 30% vs public drops).

Nevertheless, I'd defer to McKenna here if he says so. His numbers don't lie.

I did which i already said, 4.5ghz in the main. Which i've yet to hear of a Pentium K that couldn't reach this.
I did have it at 4.6 and 4.7 but those required too much V for my liking.

[xWiredx]

DV McKenna, on 08 December 2015 - 09:15 AM, said:

I did which i already said, 4.5ghz in the main. Which i've yet to hear of a Pentium K that couldn't reach this.
I did have it at 4.6 and 4.7 but those required too much V for my liking.

To go even a little beyond this - LOTS of people seem to get 4.8GhZ out of the unlocked Pentium. With a custom loop 4.8GhZ seems pretty mandatory, and even 240mm AIO users seem to get there without any real fuss. "Standard mid-range" air coolers seem to be where people get a little skittish going beyond 4.2-4.5GhZ.

If I had a little more play room in my basement I'd be tempted to get one of these Pentiums and grab some dry ice, but it's not in the cards.

Having said that, a Skylake i3 still seems like a very nice budget proposition.

[Goose]

… You are describing cooling costing 50% moar then the chip itself, right?

[xWiredx]

Goose, on 08 December 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

… You are describing cooling costing 50% moar then the chip itself, right?

Of course. For OP - not really relevant. For enthusiasts - relevant.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Goose, on 08 December 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

… You are describing cooling costing 50% moar then the chip itself, right?

And mine was under a Hyper Evo 212 hardly earth shattering expensive :-p

[Kaptain]

MavRCK, on 08 December 2015 - 06:23 AM, said:

MWO performs like 'crap' on dual cores.

No, it doesn't. You can test this yourself, I even gave you instructions on how to do it.

MavRCK, on 08 December 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ts/page__st__60

Read this thread and see how AMD machines are just not performing.

A dual-core machine will perform like those machines costing $$$ more.

AMD FX vs 1050/1051 Intel is a completely nonsensical comparison. The Instructions per clock are far better on intel. Again, I I left instructions on how to test this (assuming you have a i5 of some kind)

I tried a FX6300 at 4.5ghz and (excluding the few that fell to ZERO) FPS minimum on high @ 1080 was 20ish. With the I3 @3.7 the minimum I recorded was 51 and others have recorded minimums in the 40s. For $200 and a college budget that's kick butt performance and one heck of an improvement. Keep in mind you may be playing on a 144hz monitor but I doubt our OP is though, or that they will acquire one anytime soon.

DV McKenna, on 08 December 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

The PK is capable, and i would imagine the I3 Skylakes are probably better.

The 4170 is also a great buy. Can be found for cheap now that its a bit older.

[Goose]

Kaptain, on 07 December 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

Some people don't understand the word "budget".

You mean the part where "ineffective" is somehow allowed to qualify for "efficient?"

HWiNFO + MSI Afterburner + GenericLogViewer, on River City 1000 hours: I get it's hard to come by in combat, but clockwise laps across both bridges one could infer things from …

[Kaptain]

Goose, on 08 December 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

You mean the part where "ineffective" is somehow allowed to qualify for "efficient?"

40fps min on high @ 1080p Is ineffective?

No idea what you are trying to say with the rest of your post btw. Not unlike several of your posts. I assume it means you have logged 1000 hours running in a circle? Why on earth would anyone do that?

Edited by Kaptain, 09 December 2015 - 12:57 AM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Kaptain, on 09 December 2015 - 12:52 AM, said:

40fps min on high @ 1080p Is ineffective?

No idea what you are trying to say with the rest of your post btw. Not unlike several of your posts. I assume it means you have logged 1000 hours running in a circle? Why on earth would anyone do that?

Goose was never a fan of the PK for MWO. Despite people with it showing its performance being acceptable for gaming on a budget.

However it is still not a mainstay chip because it's multitasking is crippling.
If people can't afford more they can't afford more.
And if you trust fleabay you might be able to find a cheap sandybridge quadcore