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[GreenKenny]

Hey guys. So a day ago, Marauders became available for me to play. they are absolute beasts imo, and been getting 500-800 damage on every match, either win or lose outcome. But then on the homepage, i saw the pilot rating bar, which was stuck (T4, about 3/4 filled up towards the next rank). i mean yeah i had a couple games when i was ranked down because i was going afk and back during the match and didnt do anything, but the other ~30 games i was totally dominating with multiple kills and assists, not to mention 500+ damage every game, and after the match it always showed that my pilot skill went up (green arrow thingy). yet after all these games my skill bar is on the same place, not growing at all.
so my question is, does the bar update like a day later or smth? anyone having a similar problem? or its just the way it works?
thanks in advance

[BlackHeroe]

No, it updates immedately, but its yust a very slow progress. (nearly not to see for several upgoings, it will take surely a long time to progress a Tier level (for me thats hundreds of win matches over losses - for some maybe more for some less)
You also fall down again if you not reach a certain matchscore while your team is loosing or when you have a real bad match (even with winning)

[GreenKenny]

my point is, even if we are losing, after game it shows green icon skill up. doesnt it mean anything? my thought is, about 30 games with pilot skill rating up, you should see a difference in the home-page tier indicator right?

[Lily from animove]

make a screenshot, compare them by pixels, the amount it climbs up is VERY low. You need maybe like 1k+ ups to reach t2 from your current t4.

Edited by Lily from animove, 02 December 2015 - 03:23 AM.

[GreenKenny]

well, by what ive been told by a friend, its the opposite, u can rank up real fast. but thanks for the help guys, i'll try doing screenshots. peace

[Kerensky98]

GreenKenny, on 02 December 2015 - 03:41 AM, said:

well, by what ive been told by a friend, its the opposite, u can rank up real fast.

Are you sure he was talking about MWO?

I don't see movement except over the course of days. 20-30 wins I don't see anything noticeable (some in the 400+ match point range). But after a few weeks I noticed I had climbed about 1/8th of the bar.

[GreenKenny]

well, nevermind my friend, it doesnt matter. its 2 days already, i've been exceeding myself and playing games of average 600-700 dmg. not to mention games where i had 900 or 1300 or similar damages, but 0 rating.
Do u guys know a way the devs can see this or shall i send an email to them? also, any idea if they keep match history or a log of some sorts, so they can put me in a rank that i belong, or the past 50 games are all gone forever?

Edited by GreenKenny, 03 December 2015 - 01:11 AM.

[Ironwithin]

GreenKenny, on 03 December 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

well, nevermind my friend, it doesnt matter. its 2 days already, i've been exceeding myself and playing games of average 600-700 dmg. not to mention games where i had 900 or 1300 or similar damages, but 0 rating.
Do u guys know a way the devs can see this or shall i send an email to them? also, any idea if they keep match history or a log of some sorts, so they can put me in a rank that i belong, or the past 50 games are all gone forever?

They have logs of those sorts of things. If you click on SUPPORT in the top-bar of this website you get a list of e-mail adresses you can write to.
50 matches are probably not enough to affect your rank much. The system is tooled to work with several hundred and thousand matches played.
Please also keep in mind that your rank's only impact on the game is to make it harder and more grindy as you will be matched up with more experienced players, thus probably earning less CBills. There are no meaningful rewards associated with player ranks.

[GreenKenny]

Ironwithin, on 03 December 2015 - 01:56 AM, said:

They have logs of those sorts of things. If you click on SUPPORT in the top-bar of this website you get a list of e-mail adresses you can write to.
50 matches are probably not enough to affect your rank much. The system is tooled to work with several hundred and thousand matches played.
Please also keep in mind that your rank's only impact on the game is to make it harder and more grindy as you will be matched up with more experienced players, thus probably earning less CBills. There are no meaningful rewards associated with player ranks.

yeah maybe 50 matches arent enough to rank up, but if u are palced on tier 4 i thought i woudl see a tiny bit of difference visually on the skill bar. and yeah i know there are no rewards, its just really frustrating to see yourself perform so good but stuck on the same default tier4. ive been playing for a really long time, and im pretty sure i know my skills and myself, so yeah, i emailed the devs about this, jsut in case theres a visual bug on the home-page of the client.
and thanks for all your help and info and stuff. much appreciated

Edited by GreenKenny, 03 December 2015 - 03:16 AM.

[Solarise]

its working =) , try to get top score then u will c it go up tiny bit..

[GreenKenny]

Solarise, on 03 December 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

its working =) , try to get top score then u will c it go up tiny bit..

well im top scoring for the past 2 days, thats the problem. anyway, im sure if they have the logs they'll figure it out

[Chaosity]

How many games have you played total in MWO? It is kind of like KDR. If you have played and have a total of 100 kills and 100 deaths, then 10 kills would raise your KDR from 1.00 to 1.10. However, if you 1000 kills and 1000 deaths then 10 kills would raise your KDR from 1.00 to 1.01. Much slower upward progression.

So again, I ask you, how many drops have you made in MWO? Not just since PSR was introduced, but in total? No need to answer... the question was rhetorical in nature, but to make a point. The more drops you have in your history the slower the PSR change will be. I would venture to guess that your friend that advanced so quickly has a great many less drops under his belt than you do.

[GreenKenny]

Chaosity, on 03 December 2015 - 02:29 PM, said:

How many games have you played total in MWO? It is kind of like KDR. If you have played and have a total of 100 kills and 100 deaths, then 10 kills would raise your KDR from 1.00 to 1.10. However, if you 1000 kills and 1000 deaths then 10 kills would raise your KDR from 1.00 to 1.01. Much slower upward progression.

So again, I ask you, how many drops have you made in MWO? Not just since PSR was introduced, but in total? No need to answer... the question was rhetorical in nature, but to make a point. The more drops you have in your history the slower the PSR change will be. I would venture to guess that your friend that advanced so quickly has a great many less drops under his belt than you do.

actually its the complete opposite. we both started playing long time ago, it is at least 2 years now. but he played much much more than me, im sure of it. so what you're saying is kinda not logical in our case. let me put it this way so you can understand: he has almost all the mechs and maxed them all, and i only have 35 of them. he plays regularly, while i play for a week really intense, then stop playing for a month. so yeah, it the opposite of what u're saying, and i dont know why the heck am i the only one with this problem, couldn't find a single post about this kinda issue. i mean, i played this game long enough to know my skill, and ive played like a beast recently, and it kinda feels sad. i mean, there is a possibility that my rating actually goes up really-really slow, but how slow? so slow that i cant even see the bar moving a single bit? if thats the case, im fine with it,i can play as much as i want and top score for 90% of the games. but it shouldnt be that way. at least what ive been told, its not that hard for others

[Chaosity]

For what its worth I understand. My current tier bar is at about 15% completion, just over the word "INFO" In the text below the graphical bar. It has taken me a month to get from the "I" to the "F", maybe a 2-3% increase. Yes, it can be frustrating. Personally I think the new PSR system sucks raw eggs. It is minimally based on actual pilot performance and relies more heavily on the random selection and performance of the 11 other pilots. Key words... "random selection", over which you have >NO< control.

Here is a SIG from another user. It appears inflammatory, but I fear there is more truth here than most are willing to admit.

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I've determined that both ELO and PSR are myths, weight class matching a fantasy, hit registration a dream, and unbalanced teams a goal. The Matchmaker algorithm is entirely a function of pure spite and malice.

PGI's Corporate Mantra: If it isn't broken we will fix it until it is.

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EDIT: I checked my PROFILE. Over 7,000 drops in current and archived combined. Not massive, but not small either.

Edited by Chaosity, 03 December 2015 - 11:50 PM.

[GreenKenny]

well *** me i guess

[tokumboh]

Don't wory I am a tier 5, I have good and bad games and I am not sure I'll ever get beyond T5 but hey I've stopped looking at it and it does not break my enjoyment. Most games I play against people whom are tier 4 and tier 3 and whilst I don't get top scores I get reasonable mid ranking damage and and often a couple of kills

When I start though it was rough I would be happy with lasting 2minutes and get 100 damage

[AtomCore]

Try to run anticlockwise. The better you do it, the higher tier you are.

[Shimmering Sword]

Like other have said it's probably working, it just moves extremely slowly. I was just below the middle of Tier 2 when they ditched ELO, now months later I'm only about 1/4 to 1/3 higher, still stuck in Tier 2 when I think I'm probably more of a lower/middle Tier 1.
My rating goes up almost every match, even on a loss. I'm petty much always top 4 if not top 1 per match.

I think the Tier system has improved matchmaking over ELO, they just need to make it rank up and down faster, maybe twice as fast. Due to the nature of momentum in matches, most still look lopsided, but closer matches are more common now than before.