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[4rcs1ne]

Hi all,

BJ-1X
Energy Range Quirk has been decreased to +10%.[/color]

Laser Duration Quirk has been removed.[/color]

Energy Heat Gen Quirk has been decreased to -10%.[/color]


With the upcoming nerfs to the blackjack 1-X, it really makes me wonder why the clans don't get similar treatment. The stormcrow is allowed to roam around with excellent agility, hit-boxes, and torso twist radius and nobody complains about it. Whereas if an IS mech gets even remotely competitive, its the end of the world and PGI is quick to nerf (BJ,TDR).

I realize the BJ needed to be toned down a little bit but come on! Why so harsh? Why the double standards?? If PGI is going to nerf the blackjack its only fair that they also nerf the stormcrow in similar fashion.

Edit: Ok, so people are mis-interpreting my OP. This is NOT a BJ-1X nerf whine thread. I was just simply pointing out that clans are allowed to have blatantly superior mechs while if an IS mech gets to the same level, they have to get nerfed. This is where the double standard is.

Thanks,
Matthew

Edited by Matt2496, 04 December 2015 - 09:48 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

Well the agility was nerfed on the crow along with the other clan nerfs.

As for the bj1x I don't think it needed nerfed at all but that's what they wanted. Look at using the bj3 . It now has the good energy quirks and has JJ.

[Kira Onime]

Would of looked at the insane structure quirks instead of the energy ones.

[Rhaythe]

For a 45-ton battlemech, the BJ-1X is pretty silly in its damage capacity without needing an XL engine. Though it's still capped by IS laser ranges, the burn time in the current meta is pretty good.

Not Stormcrow good, of course. Probably not even Nova good. But good. So yeah, nerf-bat it, because reasons. I dunno.

[Jun Watarase]

You know the really funny thing? People said that the BJ having more structure than an assault was dumb.

PGI responds by nerfing the energy quirks.

[Lily from animove]

Matt2496, on 04 December 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

Hi all,

BJ-1X
Energy Range Quirk has been decreased to +10%.[/color]

Laser Duration Quirk has been removed.[/color]

Energy Heat Gen Quirk has been decreased to -10%.[/color]


With the upcoming nerfs to the blackjack 1-X, it really makes me wonder why the clans don't get similar treatment. The stormcrow is allowed to roam around with excellent agility, hit-boxes, and torso twist radius and nobody complains about it. Whereas if an IS mech gets even remotely competitive, its the end of the world and PGI is quick to nerf (BJ,TDR).

I realize the BJ needed to be toned down a little bit but come on! Why so harsh? Why the double standards?? If PGI is going to nerf the blackjack into the ground its only fair that they also nerf the stormcrow in similar fashion.


Thanks,
Matthew

because someone is so superfocused on techlevel and not mechlevel that they are too blind to see what the 5 problematic clanners need.

Monkey Lover, on 04 December 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

Well the agility was nerfed on the crow along with the other clan nerfs.

As for the bj1x I don't think it needed nerfed at all but that's what they wanted. Look at using the bj3 . It now has the good energy quirks and has JJ.

yes but this just caused the imbalance between clanners to stay, so its not truly nerfing the mechs being too strong, its just nerfing ALL.

Jun Watarase, on 04 December 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

You know the really funny thing? People said that the BJ having more structure than an assault was dumb.

PGI responds by nerfing the energy quirks.

I think they use BT mechanics to balance:

2D6 --> look at table to see result.

Edited by Lily from animove, 04 December 2015 - 08:32 AM.

[Wildstreak]

People have complained about the Stormcrow.

1X, so what? Even with these nerfs, dang thing has 8 Laser hardpoints on a 45 ton frame, 6 in high mounts, other Dec. 1 changes made it more mobile and beefier. It was comp before the Dec. 1 changes, will probably still be comp now, there is no nerf into the ground here.

Ever drive a Vindicator?

[Kushko]

BJ-1X wasn't "even remotely competitive"...it was clearly and obviously over quirked. And even after the hotfix it will still be a competitive and one of the best quirked mechs in the game.

[Nerdboard]

I actually do not see double standards here at all. The Clan lasers got slightly nerfed, that hits all clan mechs. At the same time none of the strong clan mechs got any mobilty buffs so they are all hit (at least to some degree) by the skill tree nerf.

The BJ-1X on the other hand actually imho deserved a nerf before the quirk changes. Instead it got the most insane buffs. Even with the hotfix it is still going to be really really strong. It has decent hitboxes, almost perfect hardpoints and now got huuuge structure and mobility quirks. So I think this is a good decision, I personally would have nerfed it a lot more (probably cut all structure and mobility quirks in half as well) and - for the record - I play mostly IS.

[Lugh]

Poor IS sphereroid crutch players, upset your crutch is being removed?

Did I get that right? Freebirthers...*sigh*

Matt2496, on 04 December 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

I clearly stated in the OP that it needed to be toned down. Also, you missed the point of my OP, the point was that clans such as the timberwolf and stormcrow get relatively minor nerfs while the blackjack gets hammered.

Another thing, they have removed all structure, duration, and cool-down quirks and have decreased range on all energy weapons to 10%. So how exactly is this one of the best quirked mechs in the game?

I guess you missed the last three or four nerf cycles which have been heavily anti clan across the board huh?

[sycocys]

The funny thing is that the debuffs don't really even hurt it all that much because most of its power is still in its ninja ability with the xl295 and nice structure buffs.

Engine limit of 235 like the rest? Quirks wouldn't have made a difference.

+60 engine sizes and insane levels of mobility because of it, still going to be a monster.


-- This is also known as the reason we can't stuff XL340's into our Hunchbacks anymore.

Edited by sycocys, 04 December 2015 - 09:38 AM.

[kapusta11]

It's still a Blackjack in terms of firepower though.

[Triordinant]

BJs will always be popular...

[Novakaine]

Lugh, on 04 December 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

Poor IS sphereroid crutch players, upset your crutch is being removed?

Did I get that right? Freebirthers...*sigh*


I guess you missed the last three or four nerf cycles which have been heavily anti clan across the board huh?

Ah you tube tykes are so funny.
And here I thought vat babies had no sense of humor.
Just sayin "Hi mechbro."

[sycocys]

Also, just wait for the HBK-IIA to come out if you think the 1X was op and broken. Should be able to fit 8 clan MPL all high enough mounted to clear most clutter, with 22 DHS if the JJs aren't locked with plenty of weight to run a xl250-60 engine with max armor.

[L3mming2]

they should have just toned the structure quirks of te BJ-1X down again, not the offence, i realy dont get it, it was not op before the structure quirks, so why on earth did they not simpley remove those and let the rest be...

... PGI like, we know that works... so lets try something conpleetly different...

why oh why ....

[Monkey Lover]

Nerdboard, on 04 December 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

The BJ-1X on the other hand actually imho deserved a nerf before the quirk changes. Instead it got the most insane buffs. IS.

I think this is the main issue people think it got huge buffs.
Did you really check the quirks and compare them? On a medium laser build ,It got a heat nerf, cool down nerf and range nerf. The only buff it got was armor. Now it's nerfed even more after the hotfix.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 04 December 2015 - 10:39 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Matt2496, on 04 December 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

Hi all,

BJ-1X
Energy Range Quirk has been decreased to +10%.[/color]

Laser Duration Quirk has been removed.[/color]

Energy Heat Gen Quirk has been decreased to -10%.[/color]


With the upcoming nerfs to the blackjack 1-X, it really makes me wonder why the clans don't get similar treatment. The stormcrow is allowed to roam around with excellent agility, hit-boxes, and torso twist radius and nobody complains about it. Whereas if an IS mech gets even remotely competitive, its the end of the world and PGI is quick to nerf (BJ,TDR).

I realize the BJ needed to be toned down a little bit but come on! Why so harsh? Why the double standards?? If PGI is going to nerf the blackjack its only fair that they also nerf the stormcrow in similar fashion.

Edit: Ok, so people are mis-interpreting my OP. This is NOT a BJ-1X nerf whine thread. I was just simply pointing out that clans are allowed to have blatantly superior mechs while if an IS mech gets to the same level, they have to get nerfed. This is where the double standard is.

Thanks,
Matthew

  
STORMCROW
 
SCR-PRIME LEFT ARM					  
LASER DURATION: 4.00 %   ENERGY COOLDOWN: -4.00 % 														
 
SCR-PRIME RIGHT ARM							
LASER DURATION: 4.00 %   ENERGY COOLDOWN: -4.00 % 														
 
SCR-A LEFT ARM							
ENERGY COOLDOWN: -6.00 %   LASER DURATION: 6.00 %  
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (LA): 5.00 														
 
SCR-B RIGHT ARM							
ENERGY COOLDOWN: -8.00 %   LASER DURATION: 8.00 %  
ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE (RA): 5.00 						

And what exactly would you like removed from that "Crazy and OP" Quirk list? LOL!

Edited by Almond Brown, 04 December 2015 - 10:42 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

Monkey Lover, on 04 December 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

Well the agility was nerfed on the crow along with the other clan nerfs.

As for the bj1x I don't think it needed nerfed at all but that's what they wanted. Look at using the bj3 . It now has the good energy quirks and has JJ.

BJ-3 is good but it can't carry. It is just where it needs to be whereas the laser meta heavy stuff is still too strong.

[pwnface]

Kira Onime, on 04 December 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Would of looked at the insane structure quirks instead of the energy ones.

I would have preferred f they took away some of the structure quirks instead of firepower quirks but the BJ-1X was out of balance with both.