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[Speedy Plysitkos]

IIC origins are IS mechs with clan technology (no omnipods).
Exist the other way, ie, Clan mechs with IS technology ? Like IIC summoner with IS AC20 1 hiter ?
And is this planned for mwo ?

[Karl Streiger]

No
at best you can say that IS Omnis are a kind of clan mechs - but with a fixed XL engine those IS Omnis life and die with their 3D implementation

ok you may say that the Templar a "upgradede Omni Battlemaster" may have the same survivability as the BattleMaster - but its a 3060 Mech.


wait wait - there are some "crossovers" in the late 60s - a Seefox /Diamond Shark Mech build to have IS Weapons.....Ha_Otoko

Or IS Mechs that turn out to become Clan Omni- Crossbow

and afaik there was the BattleCobra - the ComGuards salvaged enough to create their own IS Omni

Edited by Karl Streiger, 17 September 2015 - 02:23 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I don't think the Clans would ever agree to use the weapons or mechs of the "Barbarians", so I don't think so.

I don't think there is plans to make this happen either. I'm pretty sure it has been stated on several occasions that Clan tech stays clan and IS tech stays IS.

Too bad, I do love those Clan XLs and 2 crit slot DHS.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Ok then, no SMN with IS AC20.

[KuroNyra]

Nope, doesn't exist.
You do have however IS version of Clans mech.

The Nova got an IS copy.
Same for the Timber Wolf.

[MeiSooHaityu]

KuroNyra, on 17 September 2015 - 03:43 AM, said:

Nope, doesn't exist.
You do have however IS version of Clans mech.

The Nova got an IS copy.
Same for the Timber Wolf.

The Rakshasa (Timby Knockoff). I kinda like it. So basically, take a Catapult missile variant and give it two Vindicator gun arms. Seems simple enough .

A Catapult K2 version would look awesome! Barrels...barrels everywhere .

[Raggedyman]

Clans have better tech and thus use it without giving it to the IS.

The "omni" bit of their mechs was mostly to do with their ability to swap out parts in the field, not the weapons themselves. see http://www.sarna.net...Mech#Advantages for more

IS don't get clan tech in Lore, simple as that. And as we've got loads more lore mechs to work through till we run out of them I really can't see none-lore turning up any time soon.

Edited by Raggedyman, 17 September 2015 - 04:02 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Raggedyman, on 17 September 2015 - 04:00 AM, said:

Clans have better tech and thus use it without giving it to the IS.

The "omni" bit of their mechs was mostly to do with their ability to swap out parts in the field, not the weapons themselves. see http://www.sarna.net...Mech#Advantages for more

IS don't get clan tech in Lore, simple as that. And as we've got loads more lore mechs to work through till we run out of them I really can't see none-lore turning up any time soon.

Well...depends on how technical you want to get. Clan Diamond Shark didn't have an issue building the Madcat III and selling it to both the Clans and Inner Sphere (although clanners generally don't like it).

In this part of the timeline though, no, the clans don't give tech to the IS. In the future, that changes for some reason.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 17 September 2015 - 04:19 AM.

[Khobai]

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Exist the other way, ie, Clan mechs with IS technology ?

wolfs dragoons kindve

they used a lot of star league era mechs that only the clans and maybe comstar had access to... like the annihilator

but they deliberately used older IS technology to avoid suspicion from the rest of the inner sphere

[MeiSooHaityu]

Khobai, on 17 September 2015 - 04:20 AM, said:

but they deliberately used older IS technology to avoid suspicion from the rest of the inner sphere

Although I bet they got a lot of funny looks whenever they spoke. Yelling Aff, Neg, Surat, Quiaff, etc...probably raises a few eyebrows .

Old habits would die hard.

[CDLord HHGD]

There are no Clan Omnis with IS technology. What you'll find instead are mechs like the Rakshasa. Obviously inspired by the Clan omnis, but built by the IS as they try to assimilate the technology and techniques of the Clans.

[Anyone00]

Looking at the title I thought you were going to suggest primitive tech.

You want a Clan mech that uses IS tech: O.K.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Imp

Behold: the Incredible Deadable Egg

[MeiSooHaityu]

Anyone00, on 17 September 2015 - 05:08 AM, said:

Looking at the title I thought you were going to suggest primitive tech.

You want a Clan mech that uses IS tech: O.K.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Imp

Behold: the Incredible Deadable Egg

Settle down there Imp. Who do you think you are? John Travolta?

[martian]

Titannium, on 17 September 2015 - 02:14 AM, said:

IIC origins are IS mechs with clan technology (no omnipods).

That's not correct. IIC 'Mechs are Clan 'Mechs with Clan technology.

Titannium, on 17 September 2015 - 02:14 AM, said:

Exist the other way, ie, Clan mechs with IS technology ?

Yes, they exist. Fot example the Wulfen - Clan OmniMech equipped with IS Stealth armor.

Titannium, on 17 September 2015 - 02:14 AM, said:

And is this planned for mwo ?

As far as I know: No, it is not.

[Lorian Sunrider]

Forgive me if my lore is rusty, but didn't the Clans stuck in the Inner Sphere end up producing Battlemechs, not Omni-mechs that used several Inner Sphere technologies?

I'm half remembering things from binge reading all the Mech entries on Sarna while bored at work one day. Wish there were better digital versions of the TRO's.

Edited by Lorian Sunrider, 17 September 2015 - 07:05 AM.

[martian]

Lorian Sunrider, on 17 September 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

Forgive me if my lore is rusty, but didn't the Clans stuck in the Inner Sphere end up producing Battlemechs, not Omni-mechs that used several Inner Sphere technologies?

Yes, there have been such examples.

Lorian Sunrider, on 17 September 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

I'm half remembering things from binge reading all the Mech entries on Sarna while bored at work one day. Wish there were better digital versions of the TRO's.

http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/

Catalyst Game Labs offers digital versions of their Technical Readouts and sourcebooks (and of course those published by FASA and FanPro).

[Bregor Edain]

martian, on 17 September 2015 - 06:00 AM, said:

That's not correct. IIC 'Mechs are Clan 'Mechs with Clan technology.

This is not correct either. IIC mechs are SLDF mechs (technically IS) that the SLDF brought with them with the exodus from the IS. Later these mechs where equipt with the better Clan tech. It is possible they outfitted IS mechs they taken as isorla with the tech too but do not know for sure if that is documented.

[Lorian Sunrider]

martian, on 17 September 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

Yes, there have been such examples.



http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/

Catalyst Game Labs offers digital versions of their Technical Readouts and sourcebooks (and of course those published by FASA and FanPro).

Ah perfect! Thank you very much! The best I had were meh scans.

[Bishop Steiner]

Titannium, on 17 September 2015 - 02:14 AM, said:

IIC origins are IS mechs with clan technology (no omnipods).
Exist the other way, ie, Clan mechs with IS technology ? Like IIC summoner with IS AC20 1 hiter ?
And is this planned for mwo ?

No. IIC are engineered from the ground up with Clan Tech. One could look at it like the difference between a P47 Thunderbolt..... and it's spiritual successor, the A10 Thunderbolt II. Same name, same role.... all new tech.

There are HBK-4G(C), which are what you are talking about. IS mechs that they refit with clan systems for their garrisons.

But the IIC are NOT IS mechs. Period.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

I dont care too much who own them atm.. Jenner, highlander are IS mechs or you deny ?. IIC origins, are those with clan tech. And thats all.