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[cSand]

Are mechs, you lore guys, ever able to jump without jumpjets?

Since some levels have ridiculous things you get hitched on... what if you could hit space and the mech would do a little leg hop. Not very high at all but enough to clear you know... that pebble that stops your 30 foot tall mech dead in its tracks.

Mechs with JJs would just jump and then the JJs would kick in.

Small jumps, not huge leaps.

Just throwin it out there. I hate getting killed cause a rock the size of my fist got in my way >.<

[Hellcat420]

no. mechs are built to do a lot of things(a lot more than they can do in mwo), but jumping without jumpjets is not one of them.

Edited by Hellcat420, 15 December 2015 - 12:40 PM.

[sycocys]

Theoretically, maybe?

But if they could, even a little that's a lot of weight to be coming down hard onto those tiny legs.

[cSand]

Yea true enough. Ah well, I'll just have to deal I guess.

It is so rage enducing to get a bunch of good shots off, with a clear escape route, and then bam - 0kph. Followed by becomign a pincusion for all enemy mechs who you just p*ssed off

[Kraftwerkedup]

Yes. Leaping, climbing, hull down, all things you can do.

You just cant jump enough to move up a level, or into another hex. Unless you leap off a cliff, in which case you can float hexes depending on how high up you are.

[Juodas Varnas]

Does this count as Jumping?

[Kraftwerkedup]

And one terrain level came to about chest height, so a mech cant jump to that, even if its a manwalker tucking its knees.

So ill say its safe to assume that it can jump anywhere from 1-15% of its height.

Juodas Varnas, on 15 December 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

Does this count as Jumping?

I was just gonna post that!

[Lostdragon]

There are fluff examples of very skilled pilots doing stuff like backflips (this was in a light, a spider maybe). You would have to jump to do a backflip.

[Kraftwerkedup]

With Heavy Lifter and Natural Grace pilot skills, along with TSM, you can THROW another mech.


Jumping is obvious lol

If you ever get a 0 piloting skill pilot too, you can throw on Hot Dog, to avoid shutdowns from TSM and heat needed to activate it.

An Atlas can throw a 30 ton mech 1 hex. A 25 tonner 2 hexes. A 20 tonner 3 hexes. And ive never had Protomechs in a game, so I have no idea there. I do know you can carry them, but not with BA bars.

[Bellum Dominum]

No. Battlemechs can not jump. Not even ones with JJ's technically jump at all. They are propelled by the .... you guessed it ... jump jets. Some of the fiction <granted it's all fiction> might have some stories of some pilot doing some sort of 'leap or jump' in a mech that doesn't have jump jets but that would simply be a failing of the particular author not something the machine is actually supposed to be able to do at all. In fact there is a ruleset for what is called DEATH FROM ABOVE, sadly not in MWO, in which not only can you do serious damage or even destroy another mech by landing on it but you also are very likely to do serious damage to your own mech's legs.

Now that said... battlemechs can smash things as they walk over them or even 'through them'. Again sadly this is something that is barely in this game. Used to be we couldn't knock down trees but that has been added in just the last year. Battlemechs should be able to walk through (with again risk of taking damage) most of the buildings on the maps in this game. Walk over, smashing, the cars on the streets. Etc. However Jumping or Leaping is not something a battlemech is supposed to be able to do. In fact the Battlemech would have a very high probability of tripping it's self just trying and ending up on it's face. Just getting a Battlemech to stand back upright after being knocked down is quite a chore (sadly again something we don't have in this game anymore).

So yeah the answer is undeniably NO. Anyone saying otherwise.... just doesn't know.

If you need source or are actually interested in the TT rules:
http://bg.battletech...core_rulebooks/

Edited by Death Drow, 15 December 2015 - 01:05 PM.

[Mechteric]

There are some rules for climbing in the advanced ruleset, I think.

[Kraftwerkedup]

Death Drow, on 15 December 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

So yeah the answer is undeniably NO. Anyone saying otherwise.... just doesn't know.

Yes. They can jump. Check your MaxTech and TacOps.

[cSand]

Juodas Varnas, on 15 December 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

Does this count as Jumping?

I dunno but it does count as totally awesome

[Narcissistic Martyr]

cSand, on 15 December 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

Are mechs, you lore guys, ever able to jump without jumpjets?

Since some levels have ridiculous things you get hitched on... what if you could hit space and the mech would do a little leg hop. Not very high at all but enough to clear you know... that pebble that stops your 30 foot tall mech dead in its tracks.

Mechs with JJs would just jump and then the JJs would kick in.

Small jumps, not huge leaps.

Just throwin it out there. I hate getting killed cause a rock the size of my fist got in my way >.<

Kind of? I mean in one book someone made an atlas do a hand stand so...

But in terms of TT rules, yes if you dig deep enough but they don't jump high. However they can actually step over things like pebbles.

Edited by Narcissistic Martyr, 15 December 2015 - 01:06 PM.

[Bellum Dominum]

Kraftwerkedup, on 15 December 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

Yes. They can jump. Check your MaxTech and TacOps.

LMAO. Check yourself. I gave the link.

[Dirus Nigh]

Lostdragon, on 15 December 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

There are fluff examples of very skilled pilots doing stuff like backflips (this was in a light, a spider maybe). You would have to jump to do a backflip.

If not spider, then stinger or wasp. They all have jump jets.

[Kraftwerkedup]

Also check "accidental falls from above" the subsection about advanced DFAs, if you 'leap' off a cliff of more than 3 levels, you can carry into another hex (jump) when running, you can start an accidental fall, if you land on something else.

The crap you can do in Megamek, is pretty intense.

And as said, leaping, is jumping, but you cant jump up even 1 terrain level. Which is chest height. Most humans can jump that high (think someone jumping up onto a stage).

However, since clearly mechs can traverse ANY level 1 terrain, the same ways you see humans defeat chest high obstacles



Is how humaniod mechs would do it too.

Edited by Kraftwerkedup, 15 December 2015 - 01:10 PM.

[cSand]

Death Drow, on 15 December 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

In fact there is a ruleset for what is called DEATH FROM ABOVE, sadly not in MWO, in which not only can you do serious damage or even destroy another mech by landing on it but you also are very likely to do serious damage to your own mech's legs.

On this note, I would like to add, a particular point of pride in myself here in one of thw coolest things I ever managed to pull off in this game, that I jumpjetted off a ledge, landed on a DWF, and shot it to death from atop its roof with my IV4. "A one in a million shot boss, I swear"

Edited by cSand, 15 December 2015 - 01:11 PM.

[Bellum Dominum]

Kraftwerkedup, on 15 December 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

Also check "accidental falls from above" the subsection about advanced DFAs, if you 'leap' off a cliff of more than 3 levels, you can carry into another hex (jump) when running, you can start an accidental fall, if you land on something else.

The crap you can do in Megamek, is pretty intense.

Yes please do look at that again. Running straight off a cliff is what they are talking about by 'leaping'. They in no way state that a mech can propel it's self upwards without jump jets. Seriously stop misleading new players and read this stuff for yourself.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Juodas Varnas, on 15 December 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

Does this count as Jumping?

While that's leaping instead of jumping it is still 100% awesome and pretty much a text book example of how to use the dragon in TT. (Frack it charge for 54 damage)