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[TimThaKing]

Im a new players and the King Crab really appeals to me.
When i searched for some builds with 4 UAC/5 almost all of them use the 000 variant.
The 000 has 3 ballistic hardpoints in each arm, you can only mount 2 UAC/5 in each of them so you waste 1 hardpoint. Why not use the 000B variant? It has 1 more energy and missile hardpoint, instead of the ballistic hardpoints you don't use anyway. Does the extra hardpoint give some bonus that I missed? Or is it the quirks?

[dario03]

Quirks are similar 10%/15% for cooldown/velocity on the 000 compared to the 5%/20% for 000b. Though personally I prefer the extra cooldown for higher dps, wouldn't use the extra energy and missile hardpoints, and the loyalty mech is a 000 so cbill bonus.

[PurpleNinja]

I guess it's mainly because of the loyalty variant.

[Gas Guzzler]

I suggest running the 4UACs on the 000 and then dual gauss and 3LL in the 000b.

[cazidin]

If you don't mind an XL engine on your KGC you can go a step further than 4 UAC/5s... with 2 SRM 6 + A with 2-3 tons of ammo for the SRMs. I ran into a mech like this once... and I wasn't the one who walked away from that confrontation.

[Gas Guzzler]

Don't use an XL engine in your crab... it won't end well.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 December 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

Don't use an XL engine in your crab... it won't end well.

Sure it will, my Locust loves XL crabs, they come pre-cooked and their own garlic butter!

[TimThaKing]

PurpleNinja, on 17 December 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

I guess it's mainly because of the loyalty variant.

Is it possible to buy it with C-Bills? Maybe i can just look this up in-game but i can't acces it atm.

[Gas Guzzler]

TimThaKing, on 17 December 2015 - 01:28 PM, said:

Is it possible to buy it with C-Bills? Maybe i can just look this up in-game but i can't acces it atm.

The loyalty variant was just a KGC-000 that got given as a gift to people who spent a bunch of money a couple years ago. It is the same as the standard KGC-000 variant, it just has a custom paint job.

So, you can buy the 000 with C-Bills, but not the loyalty variant itself.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 December 2015 - 01:34 PM.

[Metus regem]

TimThaKing, on 17 December 2015 - 01:28 PM, said:

Is it possible to buy it with C-Bills? Maybe i can just look this up in-game but i can't acces it atm.

You should be able to buy the KGC-000, but the Loyalty version has a special paint job as one of the three fates of Norths mythos. Skuld, Verdandy and Urd, I wish I had gotten the loyalty Centurion, then my set would be complete...

According to Smurfy's you can buy the basic KGC-000 for around 10 million Cbills, but she will be the basic olive drab colour, and outfitted like this:

KGC-000

But getting her to a UAC/5 spewing monster is going to run you around 15 million CBills (10 for the mech, 5 for the weapons and upgrades needed)

[TimThaKing]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 December 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

The loyalty variant was just a KGC-000 that got given as a gift to people who spent a bunch of money a couple years ago. It is the same as the standard KGC-000 variant, it just has a custom paint job.

So, you can buy the 000 with C-Bills, but not the loyalty variant itself.

Metus regem, on 17 December 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

You should be able to buy the KGC-000, but the Loyalty version has a special paint job as one of the three fates of Norths mythos. Skuld, Verdandy and Urd, I wish I had gotten the loyalty Centurion, then my set would be complete...

According to Smurfy's you can buy the basic KGC-000 for around 10 million Cbills, but she will be the basic olive drab colour, and outfitted like this:

KGC-000

But getting her to a UAC/5 spewing monster is going to run you around 15 million CBills (10 for the mech, 5 for the weapons and upgrades needed)

Does the no loyalty version have the extra C-Bills quirk?

[Gas Guzzler]

TimThaKing, on 17 December 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

Does the no loyalty version have the extra C-Bills quirk?

No, that is part of the reward for spending money in the year of 2014.

[0bsidion]

TimThaKing, on 17 December 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

Im a new players and the King Crab really appeals to me.
When i searched for some builds with 4 UAC/5 almost all of them use the 000 variant.
The 000 has 3 ballistic hardpoints in each arm, you can only mount 2 UAC/5 in each of them so you waste 1 hardpoint. Why not use the 000B variant? It has 1 more energy and missile hardpoint, instead of the ballistic hardpoints you don't use anyway. Does the extra hardpoint give some bonus that I missed? Or is it the quirks?

You don't necessarily have to use all the hard points. Believe me, you could run it with just the quad UAC5s and a couple backup lasers and it would be extremely deadly. I run my 000 with the stock weapon loadout and it's also a nasty customer. So don't be afraid to leave some hard points unused.

[Metus regem]

0bsidion, on 17 December 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

You don't necessarily have to use all the hard points. Believe me, you could run it with just the quad UAC5s and a couple backup lasers and it would be extremely deadly. I run my 000 with the stock weapon loadout and it's also a nasty customer. So don't be afraid to leave some hard points unused.

I run mine in a slightly tuned version of stock:

KGC-000, she's a real close range killer.

[totgeboren]

I use my 000b for 4xUAC5. I prefer the extra velocity, makes aiming easier. I have 2 mlas and 2 streaks as backup. The streaks are nice when lights come around, since they often get scared when streaks come flying, even if it's not all that many.

On the 000 I am currently running 6xAC2 (just 2 slas as pointless backup). I have only broken 1k dmg once, but the sound it makes when I get the timing just right on the three weapon groups I use (2 left, 2 right, 1 on each) is really satisfying. Dakkadakkadakka! Having around 800m range means I can often get in the fight rather fast, and the velocity increasy on the 2k m/s of the AC2 means aiming is almost like lasers. Ish. Kinda.

The 0000 is a mystery to me. Gauss just does not work anymore. I would rather run other mechs as missile boats, and it's a bit too hot for boating energy. I can't get it to work now.

[Big Tin Man]

You could purchase the Assault performance pack from the steam store that comes with the KCG-000B (S) that has the 30% cbill bonus. Not cheap though.


The ballistic cooldown quirk on the 000B isn't as good as the 000 either. 5% vs. 10%

Edited by Big Tin Man, 17 December 2015 - 02:03 PM.

[dario03]

I don't think they have ever sold a cbill bonus mech for cbills. Only way to get them is to buy them with real money (pre order mechs) or MC (hero mechs) or get them as a loyalty reward. And IIRC the only King Crab with cbill boost so far is the loyalty version and the loyalty bonuses was a limited time thing so it might not ever come up again. Might get a hero variant at some point though.

[Gas Guzzler]

dario03, on 17 December 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

I don't think they have ever sold a cbill bonus mech for cbills. Only way to get them is to buy them with real money (pre order mechs) or MC (hero mechs) or get them as a loyalty reward. And IIRC the only King Crab with cbill boost so far is the loyalty version and the loyalty bonuses was a limited time thing so it might not ever come up again. Might get a hero variant at some point though.

There is the special variant that you get in the Assault Steam performance pack though.

[Roadkill]

TimThaKing, on 17 December 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

Im a new players and the King Crab really appeals to me.
When i searched for some builds with 4 UAC/5 almost all of them use the 000 variant.
The 000 has 3 ballistic hardpoints in each arm, you can only mount 2 UAC/5 in each of them so you waste 1 hardpoint. Why not use the 000B variant? It has 1 more energy and missile hardpoint, instead of the ballistic hardpoints you don't use anyway. Does the extra hardpoint give some bonus that I missed? Or is it the quirks?

The Loyalty version of the Mech is a 000 and it comes with +30% c-bill earnings.

But otherwise you're right - the 000B is technically a better platform for that build since you can carry more secondary weapons.

In my case, though, I carry 2 Large Pulse Lasers as my secondary armament so the extra hardpoints don't matter. So I might as well get the +30% c-bills from the 000(L).

[Roadkill]

totgeboren, on 17 December 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

The 0000 is a mystery to me.

AC/40 with large laser backup.