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[TLBFestus]

Man, Allistair blocked me too?

Oh well, I've been pretty complimentary of him lately too, so at least he didn't see me being nice to him. Just making lemonade here......

I can get pretty salty at times with people, moreso online as in real life (where I'm awesome and everybody loves me) and maybe that comes from more years of experience and handling complaints and grievances for my club back in the day where you had to deal with every idiot and troll possible.

Nice to see the debate over the maps though.

[PurpleNinja]

Excessive Paranoia, on 21 December 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

I have never, and will never, understand the logic of presenting yourself like this. If you're a good person, be a good person online, because if you present yourself as a bad person online, then you're really just that. Claiming to be a good person and then acting the opposite online is pretty much just admitting to being a closeted jerk.

My point on this behavior is pretty simple, try out new ways of being and interacting with another beings.
No one really knows me online (PurpleNinja???), I can be a jerk to a wide array of people and see how they react, how they treat you when you ignore then, when you shout at then, wen you call then bad names. I would never do that face to face, because interacting with real persons implies empathy, nuances on how they speak, how they look, how they express themselves within the world they live in. Ignore that and you become a real jerk.

Online people are just pseudonyms within a fake world trying to mimic a real persona.

[Alistair Winter]

TLBFestus, on 21 December 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

Man, Allistair blocked me too?

I hope you realize I was kidding! I prefer to make jokes without smileys, but I do sometimes get in trouble for it

Lyoto Machida, on 21 December 2015 - 03:02 PM, said:

An armed society is a polite society.

Well put. And you'll notice that cultures that are very concerned with showing respect and getting respect are typically cultures where people get f**ked up if they fail to show respect. There's a big culture clash between Arab or South American cultures (e.g. Brazil) on one hand and North American or North-Western European cultures on the other hand, for example. In certain cultures, it's important to show respect, because there are some very serious drawbacks to being disrespectful in those cultures. Such as soccer kicks and stomps to the head

[sycocys]

I've got a pile of people blocked, most of them being the children that think they are intelligent by posting memes or Rick Astley videos as a response in a discussion and the rest consists of people that are frequent trolls.

Especially concerning blocking the meme kids - the forums load 500% faster when their stuff is hidden instantly.

[PurpleNinja]

sycocys, on 21 December 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

I've got a pile of people blocked, most of them being the children that think they are intelligent by posting memes or Rick Astley videos as a response in a discussion and the rest consists of people that are frequent trolls.

Especially concerning blocking the meme kids - the forums load 500% faster when their stuff is hidden instantly.

You saw that coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ#t=42s

Edited by PurpleNinja, 21 December 2015 - 03:37 PM.

[Dawnstealer]

Why DO you hate freedom, tho?

[Coolant]

It's the lack of constructive criticism, and over-abundance of bitter complaints I hate. It's as if the developers personal insult you with every decision. I won't block anyone though so I can refute any emotional, irrational outbursts of rage against the game.

[CF Alpha Scout]

Well, if PGI manages to remake this map, like they did River City, Caustic Valley, and Forest Colony, then we are just going to have to bear with it. I never thought that these maps were different, BTW.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Lyoto Machida, on 21 December 2015 - 03:02 PM, said:

An armed society is a polite society.

I'd say to an extent.

There are a lot of mouthy dunderheads in MS. You have the tough-guy wannabes with their cheap "gat" tucked into their waistband. Then you have the "I almost joined the Army/Marines" tough-guy wannabes decked out in cheap tactical gear that want to carry their tacticool ARs and shotguns into the restaurant.

Both groups are irritable @ssholes. Now that I'm older and don't drop at the fight of hat anymore, I prefer to carry concealed. It's crazy how nice an @sshole with a knife demanding your wallet gets when you're pointing a loaded gun at them.

[TLBFestus]

Alistair Winter, on 21 December 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

I hope you realize I was kidding! I prefer to make jokes without smileys, but I do sometimes get in trouble for it


Well put. And you'll notice that cultures that are very concerned with showing respect and getting respect are typically cultures where people get f**ked up if they fail to show respect. There's a big culture clash between Arab or South American cultures (e.g. Brazil) on one hand and North American or North-Western European cultures on the other hand, for example. In certain cultures, it's important to show respect, because there are some very serious drawbacks to being disrespectful in those cultures. Such as soccer kicks and stomps to the head

I was thinking you didn't otherwise I was trying to figure out how you snarked back at me so accurately.



FYI...your theory doesn't explain why we Canucks are so polite most of the time.

Edited by TLBFestus, 21 December 2015 - 04:30 PM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

TLBFestus, on 21 December 2015 - 04:29 PM, said:

I was thinking you didn't otherwise I was trying to figure out how you snarked back at me so accurately.



FYI...your theory doesn't explain why we Canucks are so polite most of the time.

[Excessive Paranoia]

Lyoto Machida, on 21 December 2015 - 03:02 PM, said:

An armed society is a polite society.

An armed society is a polite society in the same way that an abusive spouse is really a great person if you don't piss them off. In other words, and armed society is terrorized into being polite, and even then never really gets there.

The most polite societies in the world are largely unarmed because they value each other more and don't need the threat of violence to keep them in line.

PurpleNinja, on 21 December 2015 - 03:25 PM, said:

My point on this behavior is pretty simple, try out new ways of being and interacting with another beings.
No one really knows me online (PurpleNinja???), I can be a jerk to a wide array of people and see how they react, how they treat you when you ignore then, when you shout at then, wen you call then bad names. I would never do that face to face, because interacting with real persons implies empathy, nuances on how they speak, how they look, how they express themselves within the world they live in. Ignore that and you become a real jerk.

Online people are just pseudonyms within a fake world trying to mimic a real persona.

If you're claiming this to be some sort of sociological experiment, I hope you're planning on writing a research paper on the subject which you're going to share with us all. Other than that, choosing to treat other people badly is just that, indicating that you have some latent desire to do so that you don't feel you can express in your real life.

Edited by Excessive Paranoia, 21 December 2015 - 05:04 PM.

[PurpleNinja]

Excessive Paranoia, on 21 December 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

If you're claiming this to be some sort of sociological experiment, I hope you're planning on writing a research paper on the subject which you're going to share with us all. Other than that, choosing to treat other people badly is just that, indicating that you have some latent desire to do so that you don't feel you can express in your real life.

Exactly.

[Jun Watarase]

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But to block someone because you don't want to hear their point of view just amazes me. You miss out on so much and not listening to other points of view is about as narrow minded as you can get.

You think thats bad? I know a guy who will start spamming insult if you ever bring up a topic that he isn't interested in. You know how most people will just ignore it if others are talking about something they aren't interested in? This guy doesn't do that, he just spams insults. Then he acts like he's doing you a favour by insulting you to your face because he could have done it behind your back instead.

But MWO is well known for having a community that will insult you if your view point differs from theirs. Instead of having a constructive discussion about it and agreeing to disagree, they start insulting you. To top it off, they imply it is your fault for being insulted in the first place. Really boggles the mind...

[1453 R]

The issue with ‘criticism’, Festus, is that some posters are well known for…well, being haters. They criticize the game, yes, and criticism of the game is not capital-B Bad, no. However, criticizing the game is the only thing they do. Every single post they make can be boiled down to them bashing Piranha, MWO, and/or the game’s players. They never contribute to a player discussion, save to tear that discussion down/assert why the discussion is pointless because [Insert Anti-Game Criticism Here]. They never answer questions from new guys. They never put forth ideas to try and fix their criticisms, save in the shallowest sense. It’s like they exist solely as a personification of Bittervetness, and the term ‘hater’ is appropriate because the entire content of that individual’s post history can be largely categorized as “Screw Piranha. Screw this game. And screw you if you think any differently.”

Those guys are unnecessary, and they earn hate in return because it’s just depressing to read them open up yet again on why this game is moose p!ss and anyone who’s still playing it and has the sheer temerity to enjoy doing so is The Worst Thing to Happen to MWO Since Literally (Godwin).

Obviously name-and-shame prevents me from identifying any such ‘haters’, but I guarantee that one or two names are going through your mind right now. As you are you, your own is clearly not among them…but I could see where your name might be going through other people’s minds when they read the above. You don’t tend to be as vitriolic as many of the really egregious haters, no, but then again I would be willing to state for the record if asked that no, I’m fairly sure you don’t actually like/enjoy MWO.

Too much criticism is as bad as not enough. ‘Haters’ take too much criticism, then give too much of even that. Might want to keep that in mind, man. Statistically speaking, Piranha does in fact actually get things right once in a while. No, the sad old “Criticism changes things, praise doesn’t” nonsense doesn’t hold water, either. You can argue for/against certain things, put yourself out there most vocally, and Constructively Criticize™ your way into changes in the game without descending into vitriolic hatery, and without never posting anything but hate. Really you can.

Chops when they’re earned. Props when they’re due. Normal conversations with everyone else when neither are especially required. The last is as important as the first two.

[TLBFestus]

1453 R, on 21 December 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Obviously name-and-shame prevents me from identifying any such ‘haters’, but I guarantee that one or two names are going through your mind right now. As you are you, your own is clearly not among them…but I could see where your name might be going through other people’s minds when they read the above. You don’t tend to be as vitriolic as many of the really egregious haters, no, but then again I would be willing to state for the record if asked that no, I’m fairly sure you don’t actually like/enjoy MWO.

Let's see.........hmmmm, ...... I can see how some of you would label me as such, but really I'm more a vocal critic who is not easily impressed rather than a hater. In the past, when I feel PGI deserves it I've handed out compliments, but probably not nearly enough to satisfy some. Again, whether you (generic "you") attribute that to bitterness, life experience, or hemorrhoids is more a reflection of how you interpret my motivations and filter them through your perception rather than how I actually am. All too commonly when you read something, forums in particular, many people read more into it because they add emotional content that simply isn't there.

Regardless, I assure you that I'm not a "hater". More a drunk Uncle or Grumpy Grandfather.

As for your assumption that I don't like MWO, you are 90% wrong. I'm not the type, and I don't think many people are, to continue with something that I don't like. I know this and every day I fire up STEAM and look at the list of games I bought that I actually don't like and I never played past a few hours, I get this reinforced. In my profession we are more thought of as sadists rather than masochists.

I'll admit to not liking it as much as I used to due to stale game play, repetition, and lack of content that interests me though. I remember saving my Premium time as a Founder, waiting for CW, and one drunken night activated it after having seen no CW for over 18 months.

At the time I kinda regretted doing that, thinking I'd have to get some more once CW came out. Suffice to say that when CW came out I didn't get any more, and no longer regret my choice to use that premium time up.

So, yeah.......I like the game, but just for what it is. It's the lack of "what it could be" that many of us felt we were sold as Founders, and the lack of any real progress towards that goal that keeps me skeptical and not easily impressed. For what it's worth, the game is entertaining now in small doses, and with friends for an hour or so a few times a week. More for the friends than the game content though if you want me to be honest.

Edited by TLBFestus, 21 December 2015 - 07:29 PM.