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[Stormie]

Jep,
What Ivan was trying to do was show a comparable build. of course the IS pilot can make a cheaper standard-engine build and may choose to do so but it will be inferior to the stormcrow used in the example. if you want comparable speed you'd be using all the hunchbacks tonnage on a huge standard engine (which isn't all that much cheaper than an xl), then putting a bunch of heavier-than-clan weapons in the reduced free tonnage. leaving it comparably undergunned.
Alternatively you could keep the comparable weapons loadout, and put a small standard engine in in which case you die because you are slow and have slow torso twist etc.

back on topic, we don't need to do anything different. if we match what FRR has been able to do (should be easier for us as we have to get buy-in from fewer existing groups) then that automatically makes us the best clan choice. we don't have to be more appealing than all factions. just the most appealing clan. enough people will decide that they want to play clan independently that if we get the lions share of those it will be plenty.

We've got the TS hub http://mwomercs.com/...ear-faction-ts/
(ultimately I'd love to see the majority of our loyalist units resident there, rather than StranaMechty etc or their own TS servers) im also working on trying to make it a tidier TS address, but that's a WIP

Its all well and good to talk about it bu now we need commitment from the existing units and experienced players to make it work. Ivan's idea about hitting the low tier matches (in an alt account if required) is brilliant. if a dozen people did that for 2 games a day that's 522 potential recruits being contacted a day.

Then we need to upskill and advise them. some units have good procedures in place for that, while others take a much more... 'relaxed' view to training people up. By training I don't mean CW tactics drops etc. I mean the basics of constructing a mech, weapon effective ranges, frontloading armour, next mech purchase help etc.. and sometimes this will have to be done will no guarantees of getting a recruit to your unit.

Lots of these thins aren't big changes or impositions on individuals, but if we can do them it would benefit all of us immensely in the long term.

Edit: as much as I hate to say it, might be good to try to get one or both of MS and 228 to take a GB contract with us to coincide with this marketing push. its an easier sell if we look successful plus trying to get some players in on their attack drops to absorb how an effective attack is put together would be great. (as a general rule we defend a lot as a faction and are relatively bad at attacking simply through lack of practice. )

Edited by Stormie, 14 January 2016 - 07:53 PM.

[Ivan Romatovich Kerensky]

Jep, on 14 January 2016 - 06:42 PM, said:

Spelling and grammar aside, you are not listing anything that the IS cannot also do as well and so failed at providing a suitable answer.

Here's the answer I think you're looking for... Nerf IS. Lower cost of clan mechs, reduce heat issues for clan mechs. Force new accounts to go clan, make clan mechs compensate for poor pilot skills and lacking leadership in drops. That should cover your basic list of issues I believe.

I'm sorry if putting in some work bringing in pilots and developing skill sets and tactics seems hard. Kinda foolish of me to expect that effort I suppose. You're right, the IS does it so the clans should avoid that all together. Find a new way or have the powers that be force pop balance.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

BACK to the topic, more or less...

There's nothing wrong with Clan Ghost Bear, IMO. What's wrong is US.

Sorta.

See, if you're an IS type, you're MOST LIKELY loyal to Davion, Steiner, or Kurita. Less likely FRR or Marik, and a rare bird if it's Liao. On the Clan side, it's Wolf and Jade Falcon, and far fewer with Ghost Bear or Smoke Jaguar. Blame the lore/canon, whatever. The big names have the drawing power, kinda like how you see more of New York City on TV than Syracuse, and whaddaya know, more people live there and more who've never been to either would PREFER NYC over Syracuse. Maybe Syracuse is pretty cool. Wouldn't know. There aren't fifty gazillion cop dramas on TV about Syracuse's finest. Wolf and Davion are the NYCs to GB and Liao, respectively.

There are some good teams that stick loyal to the CGB banner, though, as mentioned above. And some damned fine players, too.

I enjoyed my team's contract with CGB, and I look forward to being back there later this year again.

[Tarogato]

It's been my impression that when PGI buffed IS and nerfed Clan, half the Clan players just threw their hands up in defeat and gave up instead of actually playing to their strengths. Now the IS rolls Clan consistently because Clan doesn't have anybody left. Maybe if the Clan units actually came back and FOUGHT we'd see the truer colours of balance.

But nope. Paid 240 US$ for a Masakari pack. If my Timber isn't OP, I quit the game.

[Jep Jorgensson]

Ivan Romatovich, on 14 January 2016 - 09:08 PM, said:

Here's the answer I think you're looking for... Nerf IS. Lower cost of clan mechs, reduce heat issues for clan mechs. Force new accounts to go clan, make clan mechs compensate for poor pilot skills and lacking leadership in drops. That should cover your basic list of issues I believe.

I'm sorry if putting in some work bringing in pilots and developing skill sets and tactics seems hard. Kinda foolish of me to expect that effort I suppose. You're right, the IS does it so the clans should avoid that all together. Find a new way or have the powers that be force pop balance.

Obviously you did not read an earlier post I made concerning these very things where I clearly stated that I strongly opposed them.

What I would like to see is:

1. Give the Clans back our tech edge.

2. In CW, just have 12 IS pilots drop against 8-10 Clan pilots. This alone will balance our superior tech against their superior numbers. Quality vs quantity. Simple, huh?

3. In pubs, just count IS mechs as having a value of 1 and Clan mechs as having a value of 1.5-1.25 out of 12. This way, it will function just like the CW in terms of the number of pilots (more IS mechs and less Clan mechs).

Lastly, in regards to training up our new recruits, just take a look at the planet of Outpost. Tell me who the unit tag on it belongs to. In short, I HAVE been training my recruits and the results are now there for everyone to see.

Edited by Jep, 15 January 2016 - 12:08 PM.

[KillSecured CGB Magnusson ZeLaw]

As a new player, i wanna say few words :
All info based on opinions of new players and some old players that i know

My KDR > 1, i got almost T1 in 3 weeks of playing, average CW damage 1500+

70% that u are talking - lie. Msg below is not about all of you.

U are fat vet`s of this game blaming everything instead of yourself.

U are to lazy to do agressive recruiting comparing to other games(Eve, Wot, WT and others)

U was fine with OP Clan mechs, cause u was killing enemies in solo CW drops(this crap IS Mech`s)

U dont use chat in CW lobby even when newbies are asking, cause u are freaking GOD

U dont recruiting NEWBIES when drop is going, u are to lazy even to use comm`s

U cant coordinate through different TZ cause u all want to be a Boss with own, 3 man useless unit(instead of being Colonel in bigger Unit with the same guys under control but also other`s who are willing to join)

Tell me that this isnt true.

To join coordinated unit i wasted 1 week gathering Info, cause MOST OF U ARE TOO LAZE TO BUMP TOPIC and tell HOW ARE U ATM

Before joining i never saw ADVERTISMENT in pug, cw, etc., u need to learn from EVE-online how to recruit.

So that`s all about you, u dont even deserve name "leader`s" cause you are doing nothing comparing to other games.

Of course it is easier to whine here. Continue in that mood and maybe dev`s gonna be tired of your cry and help you buffing Mech`s, because u **** in other metagaming things gentlemens

Edited by ImZeLaw, 17 January 2016 - 05:13 PM.

[ColdPsyker1]

Jep, on 14 January 2016 - 06:42 PM, said:

You are also assuming that said IS pilot is getting an XL engine. That is a mistake. I heard from a number of pilots that have been in IS units before that many IS pilots prefer the STD engine so they can still fight after having both of their side torsos destroyed
.

Lol did you even look at the mech he was comparing it too?

The hunchback 4-J

Normal hunchies don't like XL's (due to an XL not being necessary and/or the hunch being a massive liability)

The 4J works best with an XL, to pack in all the missiles+lazors+ammo and stuff

Also, his original point was that IS mechs are still deceiving lay cheap-even if you are in an IS mech that doesn't run an XL, you are still probably buying a new (STD) engine- I know my hunchies go from a 200 to a 250 or 275 as the first thing I buy

[Saiphadius]

At the end of the day we just need better communication. Time for a meeting of the khans. If we can't out number them then we need to out coordinate maybe. Just an idea...
Also can we stop attacking the steam community. I.e. The place you are going to get all your new recruits. I've played mech warrior since way back and only just got into mwo through steam and can I say that on behalf of all new players you guys don't make it easy to find a clan. The game doesn't lend itself well to finding people to play with given everyone is either silent or in team speak severs. Out of my first 20 or so matches I had maybe 2 where people communicated. I had to google everything about clans and how the meta is working ATM and can I say the lack of enthusiasm on forums about the clan mechs is part of what kills the clans. "Oh you shouldn't pick a timby coz it's hard points don't let you peak hills" what bullsh** is this! Arguably the most iconic and versatile mech bagged as obsolete because you can't be a douche behind a hill. Get out there and tell people what's GOOD about clans mechs and stop focusing on what isn't. Damn IS can't be allowed to walk all over us.

[KHAN ATTAKHAN]

We at GBKP are happy to communicate in-game, half the time people can't shut up, we have pilots in our unit able to pilot a variety of mechs and as clanners we specialise in clan mechs.

The meeting of the KHANS can't happen because there a no KHANS, I urge all leaders and members of CLAN GHOST BEAR to watch this space, an announcement will be made regarding this in two days and is for the good our clan, then things are going to change, be prepared Ghost Bears for what's coming and it all ends with TERRA NOVA.
ATTAKHAN666

[Jep Jorgensson]

ColdPsyker1, on 17 January 2016 - 04:59 PM, said:

Lol did you even look at the mech he was comparing it too?

The hunchback 4-J

Normal hunchies don't like XL's (due to an XL not being necessary and/or the hunch being a massive liability)

The 4J works best with an XL, to pack in all the missiles+lazors+ammo and stuff

Also, his original point was that IS mechs are still deceiving lay cheap-even if you are in an IS mech that doesn't run an XL, you are still probably buying a new (STD) engine- I know my hunchies go from a 200 to a 250 or 275 as the first thing I buy

I do not dirty my hands with IS tech, so I would not know anything about your "hunchie". Either way, let us for a moment assume that you are correct. So (since you say that the tech and prices are balanced), how do you propose we balance the population? There are far more IS pilots than there are Clan pilots. Do you dispute this? If not, then how do you think it should be balanced?

Note: By balanced I mean "dictionary balanced" not "PGI balanced".

[Jep Jorgensson]

I guess this means I win the issue by default.

[Ssamout]

LOL