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[ReemusX]

Torric, on 11 January 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

I dare say communication is a big part of it. And NA has basically one common language, while EU has around two dozen different ones.

Yes, most of us euros are learning the basics of the english language during school. Still a huge difference between your lingua franca and any second or third languages, unless you spent a long time among native speakers.

But.... "F8" "G11" "D9" is universal to type.... no language needed... and most players can relate to the meaning when they see that. Every time I see a grid coordinate type I look in that direction or keep an eye on it. I very rarely see this in Euro server but US you get it nearly every match... whether it is spoken or typed. That is a big deal in my opinion for this game... Since you can't be Chuck Norris on MWO and get head shots every shot.... You simply won't survive solo.

Nightmare1, on 11 January 2016 - 04:41 PM, said:

*Cough*

With regard to the Op, well, it did take the U.S. to win the last two wars over there. Better coordination, speed, tech, Patton, and whatnot...

You had Monty still.... but... Patton still slaps his troops on occasion.

Hotthedd, on 11 January 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

True, but I still rarely hear Spanish.

They are hiding from Trump...just in case.

[Moldur]

If you want to maximize your w/l and stats, play oceanic.

[Kotzi]

Yes you should uncheck the european servers, please do.

[Tarogato]

I've never noticed a difference.

[Soultraxx]

I cant say Ive noticed much of a difference in play styles or skill levels between NA and Euro.

Both have their fair share of overinflated egos that claim to be better than the other.

[Horace83]

Generalizations are mostly wrong, most differences i can make out are based on daytime and/or weekend. When I (Europe) drop like monday morning with a bunch of boozed up US guys there is no tactical approach left
Still remember PUGs being PUGs, if you play in Group Queue at 7pm (CET) you should encounter lots of organised teams. Playing PUG is always a gamble, sometimes you have the feeling you merge with the rest pretty well and everybody knows what he is doing. And then you got the "scatter off and die one-by-one" matches.
But i feel the same way concerning communication, somehow many non-english speaking players seem to be timid and shy. I guess one point is that when you give the first command over VOIP in a pug you are directly in command - including being flamed for a loss for sure

Edited by Horace83, 12 January 2016 - 03:45 AM.

[NextGame]

The EU quality has went down the ******* since steam release. I like the better ping, and dont really want to play on the US server but its looking like theres not much in the way of options.

[ReemusX]

Def unchecked it. Played on Ocean only for most of the night and it was a blast.... Most the games were decided by a kill or 2 and people moved as a whole. My best game was on it so far where I lucked out with the final kill in 11-11 match at 30% health.

Got late and games were stretched so jumped back into Euro..... it was rock, paper, scissors. Most the matches lasted entire duration regardless if the score was 11-1. Constantly found myself alone even though I ran with entire group...they just split off and go wherever. Unless I am just getting into matches where it is like this every time...I just don't enjoy playing this style.

Only Euro game won thus far is a conquest which was barely won. Everyone just kept splitting off to cap the bases in the middle of a fight. I survived it but where I had 3-4 with me in a fight, I watched 2 take off halfway across the map to cap a base and leave us there to take on 3 mechs.

Jumped onto NA server and bam... had comms, people talking, targeting, scouts doing their jobs.... Sometimes we got rolled...sometimes we rolled them... but it was fun getting stormed or storming and seeing people react to your calls of "2 snuck in behind us in D3".

So far I have seen it like this...

US = Communicates, gets in, gets job done or gets rolled
Euro = See lasers, avoid, leave group and flank, spread out firepower to the point of being ineffective, winner random
Oceanic - Never heard one person talk or type but lots of common sense. Team seems to have a good awareness of what's up in the fights. Always seem to have a wingman there on the same page. Best fights so far on this server.

[Sabazial]

Didn't we have this thread a few months ago?

[Nerdboard]

Belphegore, on 12 January 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

Didn't we have this thread a few months ago?

Most probably and its still bullcrap. Pure imagination (also called selective memory, big hobby of the human brain).

The only thing that could actually explain such a difference (if there was any) was cultural background. Both the US and Europe however are way too big (and internally way to different) to lead to any such result. In MWO this mixing is even more pronounced since both NA and EU servers are populated by players from both regions. I play on both servers and whenever someone starts this topic again I usually check where I was at the end of my games (both solo and group). No discernable difference.

[Prof RJ Gumby]

Funny thing to read such topics while over half of the MWO active players have both servers checked...

[DeRazer]

Play both, but late in the EU so teams always mixed EU/US.

Never really noticed much difference although I agree that since Steam there has been a lot of rogue lance activity - running off and losing the match their team... and direwolves capping in conquest... and heavies/assaults chasing spiders...

I shall make a note to check on this. I certainly have experienced a lot of timidity in the last few weeks but put that down to people trying to get the 150s without dying and new starters not "feeling" the game.

The worst thing I see is when you have a big group who don't even take a second or two to explain "the plan" to the others and then do something unexpected leaving a 4-5 mechs out of position.

I often play in a team of 3 and we can be pretty useful supporting the big unit but only if we know what is going on.

There was a match the other day on Tourmaline where a team from one of the bigger units unexpectedly held back near the start position. 3 minutes and 2 casualties later we dragged our battered mechs back towards them asking why they hadn't moved... "Oh, we're set up for long range" they said...

Would it have hurt to tell us that at the beginning?? They were a US team - so communication isn't always an American forte!

[zagibu]

Nerdboard, on 13 January 2016 - 05:46 AM, said:

The only thing that could actually explain such a difference (if there was any) was cultural background.

Gaming culture DOES differ between the EU and US. FPS in EU are mostly played on PC, while in the US, FPS are mostly played on consoles. Another difference is that US PC players usually focus on a handful of games, while EU PC players maintain a broader portfolio. Also, games popularity between EU and US differs quite a lot in some cases. Counterstrike, for example is much more popular in EU. It even comes down to how games are played. In EU, Call of Duty is often played in hardcore mode, which makes you die much faster, often on the first hit. This mode is much less popular in the US.

[Catra Lanis]

Being from Sweden I must say that I think people are comitting an error when saying EU or european. It's about 20 countries plus some that are not EU members but european. My point is, the cultural difference between Sweden, Germany and Russia are probably much bigger than say between Oklahoma, California and North Dakota. It comes down to the european contries that have the most players when setting the "gaming culture". As far as I can tell, very few swedes play MWO while I see a lot of germans, russians and french.

Edited by Catra Lanis, 14 January 2016 - 02:35 AM.

[Lykaon]

KHETTI, on 11 January 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

Actually your assessment is totally wrong, to simplify things its basically like this:
US-Aggressive push push type players.
EU-Less aggressive, tactical type players.

One common truth though, both populations have their equal share of terribads.

If standing in one spot way past the point of it being a good idea is "tactical" than sure I agree.

My general experiences have been Euro server significantly less comm use and of course a significant decrease in cooperation as well. Somewhat timid and predictable players as well also connected to the reduced comm use. No body wants to be aggressive or decisive if it looks like they may be the only one to actually break out of the hidey pokey and press an attack.

North American server has more comm use with higher levels of coordination because of it.

I do not play Oceanic enough to make a comment on what may be typical.

So this gets me wondering if this reduced comm use on the Euro server is due to potential language issues. On the NA and Oceanic server it's highly likely that everyone on the team is a native English speaker with the bulk of the players being American Canadian or Australian.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Alistair Winter, on 11 January 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

I've stopped playing on European server. Consider that for a moment. I'm from Norway, my ping on European server is less than half of what it is on NA server. I was really excited at first. Now, I hate the European server with a passion.

• European players are extremely timid. If you're in an assault mech and you announce that you're pushing a ridge or a hill, your teammates will stand motionless and watch you die 9 times out of 10. They don't give a single f***.
  
• European players don't communicate as much. There is really no excuse for this, because the year is 2016 and there are relatively few countries where people still can't communicate well in English. You've got British, Scottish, Irish, Scandinavian, Dutch and French people, who all speak English. Germans are coming along, as are the Spanish and the Swiss. The Italians and Russians... meh. They're not quite there. But despite the fact that most Europeans do speak English, nobody's saying anything.
  
• Europeans are just plain worse players. It's not just a matter of communication. The American players are head and shoulder above the Europeans. I don't know if it's a result of their culture as a whole or just American gaming culture, but it's night and day. I've had some PUG matches in prime NA time where my team was just as coordinated as a 12-man team. Completely professional. I have noticed that a lot of military veterans in the US play MWO, which is cool. That may be part of it, but it's certainly not the majority of American players.

TL;DR - Stopped playing Euro server a couple of months ago. The game was twice as fun since I made the change.

As a fellow euro I can confirm this. I always play on NA. The EU server is populated by ******* (unless you stumble across one of the good EU units like Black Spikes etc) who stand still and shoot or just think every mech can only carry LRMs.

I'm super sad I got too old and have a life to do NA competitive :-(

[Haakon Magnusson]

ReemusX, on 11 January 2016 - 09:16 PM, said:

But.... "F8" "G11" "D9" is universal to type.... no language needed... and most players can relate to the meaning when they see that. Every time I see a grid coordinate type I look in that direction or keep an eye on it. I very rarely see this in Euro server but US you get it nearly every match... whether it is spoken or typed. That is a big deal in my opinion for this game... Since you can't be Chuck Norris on MWO and get head shots every shot.... You simply won't survive solo.


You had Monty still.... but... Patton still slaps his troops on occasion.


They are hiding from Trump...just in case.

I do confess, I don't really magically remember those coordinates where things are on the maps. Cave is cave, saddle is saddle... not some letter/number coordinate

Then again I go get lost more easily in a city with grid for streets as opposed to city with more organic roadsystem (Esp if slightly toasted)

I wonder if it is a force of habit, because our cities here are more rarely in a strict grid layout, whereas stateside it is more prevalent. Whatwith the street/avenue thingy.

[stocky0904]

I play both N/A and EU servers. You are right, there is more communication on the N/A servers but thats no indication for better matches.

A few days ago i played solo pug at 7am CET. I got 3 matches on N/A servers. EU servers are normally dead at this time of the day. It wasnt fun really. Drunken N/A server boys made me stop after those 3 matches. The only communication was about how much whiskey or vodka or what else everybody had drunk. The quality of the matches was accordingly. It wasnt the first time lol

I waited for a few hours and tried again. Well i had fun on both servers.

In general the euros play more cautious (sniping/LRMs) the americans or aussies more aggressive (they like to push and brawl a lot more). You have to adapt.