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[Euklides]

Juodas Varnas, on 13 January 2016 - 10:18 AM, said:

Seriously, we made the Urbanmech happen despite the "DOA", we can make the Quads happen too!

I want to believe, I have no previous experience with the mechwarrior franchise and lore prior to this, so I base my preferences on cool looks and unique models; quads certainly does seem to qualify.
Same goes for industrial mechs!
I would loooove me a Harvester ant beefed up with mechwarrior grade equipment.

[CDLord HHGD]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

I can respect that. Not a huge fan of that many fire groups, overall..... or solo SRM launchers (even my TT version eventually dropped that for an LB-10X)

I suppose one could bring it down to 3-4 groups though.... PPCs either together or seperate triggers, MLasers on another, and the SRMS, MGs and Slasers on the final.

Mt thing it I have yet to find a mouse I like the location of group 4, so I generally run 3 fire groups only. I would prefer the separate PPC option...anyone know if there are any mice with 2 physical "scroll wheels"?

I'll try to cut it down to 3 weapon groups and when I do more than one PPC, I put them on the same button but on chain fire so it's still a single tap single PPC.

[5LeafClover]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:26 AM, said:

I think all "general" quirks should be "Chassis Global" but any specific named weapon quirks absolutely should be tied to the hardpoint location.

Agree with that.

If it were me, the way I'd handle the general quirks would be to give a rating A-F for Firepower, Mobility and Structure. Each grade increment would be very small, say 2%. For firepower quirks, it would be non-weapon specific, so might be something like +2% range, +2% rate of fire, +2% cooldown all at once, to all weapons, per grade (e.g. Firepower B would be +10%range, +10% RoF, +10% cooldown)

This keeps the quirks much more transparent, decouples the balancing of weapons types from the chaotic effect of extreme specific weapon quirks on mech variants, and makes PGI's job of live tuning quirks very simple.

As an example of how a quirk-stat might look:

AS7-DDC
Firepower - D
Mobility - F
Structure - B
Signature weapon: AC20 (Right ST)

Edited by 5LeafClover, 13 January 2016 - 11:23 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

5LeafClover, on 13 January 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:

Agree with that.

If it were me, the way I'd handle the general quirks would be to give a rating A-F for Firepower, Mobility and Structure. Each grade increment would be very small, say 2%. For firepower quirks, it would be non-weapon specific, so might be something like +2% range, +2% rate of fire, +2% cooldown all at once, to all weapons, per grade (e.g. Firepower B would be +10%range, +10% RoF, +10% cooldown)

This keeps the quirks much more transparent, decouples the balancing of weapons types from the chaotic effect of extreme specific weapon quirks on mech variants, and makes PGI's job of live tuning quirks very simple.

As an example of how a quirk-stat might look:

AS7-DDC
Firepower - D
Mobility - F
Structure - B
Signature weapon: AC20 (Right ST)

agree with this, but think we need to start a seperate Topic for that. This one is supposed ot be for Warhammer maniacs.

[5LeafClover]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 11:31 AM, said:

agree with this, but think we need to start a seperate Topic for that. This one is supposed ot be for Warhammer maniacs.

......also, forgot to mention.

WARHAMMER!!!

Woot! I can't believe we're finally getting this iconic chassis! Thank you PGI

Unleash. The. Pepps.

[TheCharlatan]

Bishop, let's make a deal.
I'll drive the 6R with PPC in the arms, but please let me drive the others without.
Pretty please?

[Strum Wealh]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

This thread is for all you fellow maniacs and masochists who refuse to bow to Meta, and will be running the Warhammer the way God and Jordan Weisman intended:

As a fellow lightning-slinger (though, Marauder > Warhammer ), I tip my hat neurohelmet to thee.
May your cerulean arcs of man-made lightning fly fast and strike true!

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 13 January 2016 - 01:04 PM, said:

As a fellow lightning-slinger (though, Marauder > Warhammer ), I tip my hat neurohelmet to thee.
May your cerulean arcs of man-made lightning fly fast and strike true!

Well, if we HAD a Marauder in game instead of "Son of the Krab", I'd be more into it (always loved the MAD-3D).. I mean, I like driving them, but everytime I see one go by I find myself looking for the big "GOODYEAR" emblem on the sides.......

TheCharlatan, on 13 January 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

Bishop, let's make a deal.
I'll drive the 6R with PPC in the arms, but please let me drive the others without.
Pretty please?

Mebbe.

What sort of heartless person can look in their mech lab and see the withered stumps of Amputee Warhammer and not want to make him whole again?!?!?!'

MONSTERS!!!!

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

but we all know that just means some folk will be running a ppc or 2 in the slightly higher torso mounts, and using arms as shields

Anyone who does that is either a noob or just not very bright. Its only worth torso mounting PPC's if the mech has high torso hardpoints ( thud, stalker etc ). I guess thats what happens when most of the playerbase is so bad at the game they copied and pasted mech builds from metanoobmechs. Sad really.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 10:49 AM, said:

so obvious answer would be to not buy a PPC mech, quiaff?

Also totally irrelevant to point of this Topic.... plenty of places to debate value of PPCs, or making "MetaWhammies".

This is for us luddites who want our PPCs.


sorry, unless playing SM matches, DHS are gonna be mandatory.

I think it takes 23 SHS or so to beat DHS atm... so if you drop the engine speed to 3/5 (STD 210) or run an XL275 you can shove enough SHS in there to surpass DHS efficiency.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alwrath, on 13 January 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Anyone who does that is either a noob or just not very bright. Its only worth torso mounting PPC's if the mech has high torso hardpoints ( thud, stalker etc ). I guess thats what happens when most of the playerbase is so bad at the game they copied and pasted mech builds from metanoobmechs. Sad really.

well, we both know this is the case, even for most of our delightful Tier 1s. Only reason I expect weapons in their "shields" at all is 6 lazors pewpew better n 4.

Narcissistic Martyr, on 13 January 2016 - 01:24 PM, said:

I think it takes 23 SHS or so to beat DHS atm... so if you drop the engine speed to 3/5 (STD 210) or run an XL275 you can shove enough SHS in there to surpass DHS efficiency.

not holding breath for XL viability...and a 210? EWWWWWWWWWWW
(also 280xl same weight as 275)

[Grimlox]

I like your taste in mechs, music and I got your Mjolnir reference. Let's be friends!

I can't see the Whammy in smufys yet so can't offer any specific builds but PPC's and AC5's always tend to go well together. Might have a bit of a problem with lights but a good pilot can work around that with situational awareness and sticking with the team. Interested to see what builds come out,

Edited by Grimlox, 13 January 2016 - 01:37 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

not holding breath for XL viability...and a 210? EWWWWWWWWWWW
(also 280xl same weight as 275)

And can't be used in hunchbacks, centurions, enforcers, Raven 2X and 4x, and some others.

[LordMelvin]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 January 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

I can respect that. Not a huge fan of that many fire groups, overall..... or solo SRM launchers (even my TT version eventually dropped that for an LB-10X)

I suppose one could bring it down to 3-4 groups though.... PPCs either together or seperate triggers, MLasers on another, and the SRMS, MGs and Slasers on the final.

Mt thing it I have yet to find a mouse I like the location of group 4, so I generally run 3 fire groups only. I would prefer the separate PPC option...anyone know if there are any mice with 2 physical "scroll wheels"?

I have a mouse with three buttons near the thumb. I use two of them for groups 3 and 4 respectively and the third for VOIP. I almost always try to keep four groups max, with group four usually being backup weapons or chainfired LRMs.

For my HBR Prime (which I also run stock+) I keep the ERPPCs in group 1 chainfired. Group 2 is ERMLs, group 3 is MGs and group 4 is an SRM6. It's still hella hot and I run into the issue where if I sneeze I run the risk of double-tapping the PPCs and cooking myself mid-fight, but I'm not terribly worried about running the Whammy with four groups.

Only changes I might make to the weapons loadout are to swap the two small lasers for a medium and up the PPCs to ERPPCs (heat permitting). I practiced running a Black Knight-6B with 2 ERPPCs and 4 MLs on a STD 320 (running 5 tons under max), 14 DHS w/ Endo. It's workable, although that doesn't include the extra tonnage for the SRM6, MGs or ammo for either.

[Bishop Steiner]

LordMelvin, on 13 January 2016 - 01:50 PM, said:

I have a mouse with three buttons near the thumb. I use two of them for groups 3 and 4 respectively and the third for VOIP. I almost always try to keep four groups max, with group four usually being backup weapons or chainfired LRMs.

For my HBR Prime (which I also run stock+) I keep the ERPPCs in group 1 chainfired. Group 2 is ERMLs, group 3 is MGs and group 4 is an SRM6. It's still hella hot and I run into the issue where if I sneeze I run the risk of double-tapping the PPCs and cooking myself mid-fight, but I'm not terribly worried about running the Whammy with four groups.

Only changes I might make to the weapons loadout are to swap the two small lasers for a medium and up the PPCs to ERPPCs (heat permitting). I practiced running a Black Knight-6B with 2 ERPPCs and 4 MLs on a STD 320 (running 5 tons under max), 14 DHS w/ Endo. It's workable, although that doesn't include the extra tonnage for the SRM6, MGs or ammo for either.

Yeah I have had a few with the thumb buttons, but none that didn't require me to shift my grip, which I hate. I would love one with a moderately high pressure button right under the pad of my thumb.

Narcissistic Martyr, on 13 January 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

And can't be used in hunchbacks, centurions, enforcers, Raven 2X and 4x, and some others.

well, I'm not spacepoor, so I like each mech ot have it's own engine.....

[Metus regem]

My WHM-6R, is going to be upgraded into a Royal 6R, my 30% c-bill 6R, will likely have Endo, DHS and no MG's with Artemis on a down graded 4 pack.

Other than that, the rest are going to be super stock... well the Widow is going to take some tinkering with...

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 13 January 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

My WHM-6R, is going to be upgraded into a Royal 6R, my 30% c-bill 6R, will likely have Endo, DHS and no MG's with Artemis on a down graded 4 pack.

Other than that, the rest are going to be super stock... well the Widow is going to take some tinkering with...

6D gonna be the toughest one for me....
7S probably will get 2xSRM4, 4x SLs, 2xPPC, and anythign else to engine and heatsinks.
6R already noted,
Black Widow might be relatively stock for me... MPL, SRMS and MG synergize pretty well. Downgrade the ERPPCs to std PPCs.

but the 6D? Probably will be a Vomit Mech, but have to determine what flavor.....

[Scout Derek]

Things are looking up, you said you'd be the Hammy for that remake of the trailer, right?

[Bishop Steiner]

Scout Derek, on 13 January 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

Things are looking up, you said you'd be the Hammy for that remake of the trailer, right?

you know it hoss

[Pariah Devalis]

*sigh*

Going to make me link this one, now, eh?