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[NocturnalBeast]

I have always played as a Davion pilot in the board game and I enjoy the Davion fiction the best.

[Littlefingers]

I will tell you why I have servered House Davion,

My family has servered House Davion since its beginning over 700 years ago. I believe that in a nutshell House Davion is good and has the good of the people in mind. Though I know that they have had there problems over the years and good and bad rulers over that time period. I could go on and on but, I should keep it brief. I have servered House Davion and will continue to serve, and the best reasons I can give is. They offer the best treatment to there people, the best education opportunity, the best military, and the best resorces possible. unforchantly current times have not been the best and as for the stiener's and the marrage it is to bad it is not working as it should because it would have been nice to have all that strength and stability of the two most powerful houses.

I shall end with one last though.

LONG LIVE THE PRINCE.

[Lite2bolt]

When i played the old Multi player game i was part of Team Devil Spawn. we had our owen web site and everything. The team was a house of Davion Knightes. We where very close knite group, but when the multi player game was no longer supported bymicrosoft we drifted apart. We had a meber call sign Solrun or Solrice, who made custom maps and stuff. made it available to every one. I still have all the old maps saved on disk. We even had a in game multi use channel so we could communicate just like a real team would out on the battel field. We had a great time. Was hopeing to reconect with some of my old team mates again.

[Orphiucus]

All the BT novels over the years. First started reading about 10 years ago when I was a teenager, but it was hard to find many. With the Dark Ages series being (mostly) released on the Nook and such I read just about every book in that series and that really sealed it for me that the Fed Suns were the place that I would want to live if I was in that universe.

[Santimy75]

I chose House Davion based on a few things (most of my experience being FedCom civil war and earlier; the newer books I never got into):

• Combined Arms - Never saw it much in the books from the other houses. Closest would be the Com Guard and how they don't have more than a Level II or III as a single type ('mech, armor, infantry, etc.). Other houses would use them, but more as second-class warriors.
  
• R&D - NAIS > almost anyone else From the Fourth Succession War and getting around Comstar, to the advances made during and after, they were growing by leaps and bounds more than the other houses.
  
• Personalities - The majority of the "good guys" from the earlier books seemed to come from the house. The Allards, the Sorteks, Morgan Hasek-Davion.. all great characters and you could really get behind them.
  
• Military, Economy, AND (relative) Freedom - It just felt like the place I would like to live, if I was a citizen in the 31st century.

[dal10]

Santimy75, on 16 October 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

I chose House Davion based on a few things (most of my experience being FedCom civil war and earlier; the newer books I never got into):

• R&D - NAIS > almost anyone else From the Fourth Succession War and getting around Comstar, to the advances made during and after, they were growing by leaps and bounds more than the other houses.

Funny thing is, guess who perfected Triple Strength Myomer first? guess what... it was not NAIS.

[Santimy75]

dal10, on 16 October 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Funny thing is, guess who perfected Triple Strength Myomer first? guess what... it was not NAIS.

Yeah, nice way to turn that double-cross into a positive =P (Justin Allard Liao / Andrew Redburn) Wasn't that Kittery? I forget.

[Hyzoran]

You shamefur Davions! You shall be removed from the Inner Sphere! Your kind have always been the scum of which fools look down on! Your inability to perform seppuku after your repeated shames only proves your lowliness! SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!

Edited by Hyzoran, 17 October 2012 - 04:44 PM.

[Hannah Cohen]

Two very simple reasons for me to pick House Davion.
1) Of all the Inner Sphere powers, the Federated Suns is the only realm worthy of my service to the Crown. NAIS, religious freedom, mechwarrior academies that admit *gasp!* non-nobles based on merit! Also, Hanse Davion.
2) You can't play as Clan Jade Falcon so far. Yes, I love the Jade Falcons for their style and warrior traditions. Unlike the completely-dezgra-whenever-you-lack-surviving-witnesses Clan Wolf, the Falcons actually have HONOR!

[dal10]

problem with that... The most merit based house is not Daviot but Liao...

[Hannah Cohen]

dal10, on 18 October 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

problem with that... The most merit based house is not Daviot but Liao...

ONLY for the Warrior Houses. CCAF is Comunist China without the unifying traditions and a few garbage mechs. Oh, plus a gang of Commisars following the troops into every engagement.
"You fight mech with rusty rifle or we shoot in head!" is not a great motivational poster.

[dal10]

actually, everything here except the ruling family is merit based. You do extremely well, you will on average get much higher than in the other countries. Liao is a mix of old china, with merit == advancement and socialist tendencies, which are fostered by the fact that we constantly get attacked by davion and marik.

[Hannah Cohen]

The Tikonov Commonality very much disagrees! Liao harmony is a lie.

[Strum Wealh]

dal10, on 18 October 2012 - 06:49 AM, said:

problem with that... The most merit based house is not Daviot but Liao...

It seems that you are conflating the highly-meritocratic AFFS with some other organization.
(And, even then, the oft-maligned LCAF is not so strongly and adversely afflicted in that regard as many seem to believe.)

Consider:

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The Armed Forces of the Federated Suns is the largest military force in the Inner Sphere, with the capability of fielding over 110 BattleMech regiments and many times that number of armored, aerospace, infantry, and support units. Regiments in the AFFS are reasonably well-equipped with a wide variety of weapon systems, and every soldier’s training emphasizes wits and intuition to make even the lowliest trooper a thinking, scheming, dangerous opponent. Considering the vastness of the Federated Suns, the AFFS military bureaucracy is amazingly swift in responding to the needs of its forces, while the officers trained in the Federated Suns academies are perhaps the best educated and certainly the most daring in the Inner Sphere. These factors make the AFFS not only the largest, but the best fighting force among the five Successor States.

(source)

By contrast:

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Under the aegis of the Ministry of the Military, the Capellan military consists of BattleMech, aerospace, infantry, armor, artillery, and support units. Some mercenary units are attached to the Capellan Armed Forces on a semi-permanent basis, while others are rented as need occurs.
There are three types of unit organizations: regular Capellan line regiments, various mercenary regiments, and the eight standing Warrior House regiments drawn from members of the various Warrior House Orders, modeled along the principles of the Korvin Doctrine.
The typical Capellan trooper enters military life at age 18, after completing the equivalent of a secondary level education. The more promising individuals are earmarked early on for specialized officer training in one of several Capellan military academies.
The average Capellan trooper is required by law to serve a period of five years in one of the Confederation’s regular, or line, regiments, and then an additional three years’ service with a reserve regiment. The individual is there after liable for duty with a local home guard or militia detachment for two months each year until age 50.

(source)

That's not to say that there isn't merit-based advancement within the CCAF, but what evidence exists to claim that the CCAF is more of a meritocracy than the AFFS?

Also... what is it with Capellans and the apparent inability to properly spell "Davion"?
Additionally, the name "Daviot" is actually a variant of "David", which in turn is ultimately Hebrew in origin and means "darling" or "beloved".
'Tis also the name of a couple of apparently-idyllic villages in Scotland.
So, if the substitution is intended as an insult, it's not a terribly potent one (much like the threat posed to the Federated Suns by the CCAF ).

[Spidey01]

My first MW/BT experience beyond a MW2 demo and the toys from the cartoon show, was MW4:V. So I rather have more affection towards House Davion than houses Steiner, Kurita, and Lao.

As I geeked out on CBT lore and such, I found that I rather like the Federated Suns model of things, and of course the leadership and occasional military brilliance. Not as much of a fan of the American style "ACs, ACs, and more ACs!" or the Enforcer's standard load out.

House Davion just, "Fits" me best of the houses of the I.S. Much like, I would probably favour Clan Wolf in clan space.

[dal10]

actually, nothing in your post about davion mentioned meritocracy... only the liao section did... also, how many noble's kids do you think make it into the bigger mechwarrior academies? I would think that most of the ones who apply do.

[dal10]

also, If you consider the Dark Ages canon, which while I hate them, they still are, Davion faces an immenent mass invasion from the confederation after we finish with the republic of the sphere.

[Mycrus]

because;

space french / americans > space chinese/japanese

i will say that space french / americans = space germans

[Strum Wealh]

dal10, on 18 October 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

actually, nothing in your post about davion mentioned meritocracy... only the liao section did... also, how many noble's kids do you think make it into the bigger mechwarrior academies? I would think that most of the ones who apply do.

The section about the AFFS was meant to indicate, as much by tone as verbiage, that the AFFS is willing and able to invest in all of the Suns' citizenry, and that those highly-educated, highly capable personnel in turn become the highly-capable bureaucrats that lead the Suns' military.
As a case in point: Ran Felsner was born a common man to a family of lumberjacks on Lexington, and eventually became the first Marshal of the Armies of the Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth.
For more (and, arguably, more famous) examples, see Andrew Redburn and Alexi Mallory (who became a Capellan noble on top of being a distinguished FedSuns intelligence operative ).

Granted, none of them went to the "bigger MechWarrior academies"... but, they didn't need to, and their respective merits took each of them quite far.

How many Capellan equivalents can be named?

dal10, on 18 October 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

also, If you consider the Dark Ages canon, which while I hate them, they still are, Davion faces an immenent mass invasion from the confederation after we finish with the republic of the sphere.

Unless either of us happens to work for Catalyst (I don't), the Dark Age storyline is canon whether we like it or not.
(Though, for the record, I do not mind it.)

That being said, I've yet to read A Bonfire of Worlds, but what I can readily find does not indicate that there is much of a threat to the Suns from the Confederation. What material exists to indicate otherwise?

[dal10]

Sword of Sedition. Julian was preparing defenses against a Capellan Invasion at Kathil. Which is 5 jumps inward from the border during 3040. and at least 2-3 by Dark ages. We didn't disarm to the level the other states did after the Republic was formed.

also, Kathil is a rather important planet, if he had to beef the defenses up there, how much trouble do you think less important worlds to the davions are in.

Edited by dal10, 18 October 2012 - 11:21 AM.