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[IceFire]

So with Polar Express comes great LRM warfare. Personally, I love the **** out of it! I have my little red kerensky worshipping kitfox with 3 AMS overloaded and range enhanced.

But most allies won't bring AMS. Mostly because it doesn't directly kill enemies, and no one likes buying defense? But it also doesn't earn you cash!

Why doesn't AMS earn us cbills/XP from shooting down missiles? Not a huge amount, but Tag, Narc, ECM, UAV all give CBills/XP, but one of the best herd immunity weapons doesn't give any and that makes me sad.

PGI! I beg you, give us AMS bros cbill earnings! Let us show the rest why Polar Hypelands is a brilliant map in both design and gameplay! And please give us more maps like it!

[TheCharlatan]

I approve this message.

[SOL Ranger]

I think it should be very little reward, considering how ineffective LRM's are, AMS is often thus as ineffective.

But yes, it should be a thing.

[IceFire]

I 100% agree it should be very small. Since if you do get solid effectiveness (like I did just then on polar) then it would rack up a lot of money. all the support things should net more or less similar reward amounts at the end for a good match.

Edited by IceFire, 20 January 2016 - 03:37 AM.

[Kotzi]

Damage for the Damagegod. AMS reduces my DPS. Better start insulting people using lrms, maybe they will stop, making me not need AMS.

Edited by Kotzi, 20 January 2016 - 03:39 AM.

[El Bandito]

IceFire, on 20 January 2016 - 03:12 AM, said:

Why doesn't AMS earn us cbills/XP from shooting down missiles? Not a huge amount, but Tag, Narc, ECM, UAV all give CBills/XP, but one of the best herd immunity weapons doesn't give any and that makes me sad.

PGI! I beg you, give us AMS bros cbill earnings! Let us show the rest why Polar Hypelands is a brilliant map in both design and gameplay! And please give us more maps like it!

1. Because it doesn't take any skill to use AMS. You mount it and maybe toggle it off indoors, but that's it. Unlike TAG or NARC.

2. If people are dumb enough not use some thing that is offered, then they are stupid and should pay for their stupidity.

3. BECAUSE VICTORY IS ITS OWN REWARD.

Edited by El Bandito, 20 January 2016 - 03:45 AM.

[Greyhart]

I'd say 1 C-bill for each missile. Not going to make anyone rich but ok.

[IceFire]

El Bandito, on 20 January 2016 - 03:44 AM, said:

1. Because it doesn't take any skill to use AMS. You mount it and maybe toggle it off indoors, but that's it. Unlike TAG or NARC.

ECM is even less skill.

keep on. when icon do thing, click button. forget to change back from counter. Congrats, you earned ECM Counter cash

Edited by IceFire, 20 January 2016 - 04:11 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Mmmmake it so!

However, I would say this: AMS needs to be buffed and the AMS modules especially need to be buffed to be worthwhile at all. Because ultimately, MWO players are motivated by winning and getting kills. Wins and kills are the two things everyone wants. Whether you get an extra 5000 or 10,000 C-bills for AMS? Meh, not everyone cares about that.

Some people just want to crush their enemies, see them driven before them and to hear the lamentation of their women.

[IceFire]

I'm more than happy to AMS for people who want to crush the skulls of their enemy under their feet

[Daelen Rottiger]

+1 OP Supporting the team should always be rewarded - since it's a teambased game

[Jetfire]

Yes, AMS should definitely provide a reward. Almost every mech that can take it should.

I would also add that dying minus an arm or two should also grant a bonus for protecting your core. Also bonus's for how much damage you can sustain before dying. Tanking and Defense should be rewarded. Not so much that just charging in to get decimated is a good strategy for CB income, but enough to make it a better idea than hiding for 15 mins.

[Dimento Graven]

IceFire, on 20 January 2016 - 03:12 AM, said:

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Why doesn't AMS earn us cbills/XP from shooting down missiles? Not a huge amount, but Tag, Narc, ECM, UAV all give CBills/XP, but one of the best herd immunity weapons doesn't give any and that makes me sad.

PGI! I beg you, give us AMS bros cbill earnings! Let us show the rest why Polar Hypelands is a brilliant map in both design and gameplay! And please give us more maps like it!

I agree, there should be a reward. If AMS is activated and shoots down missiles directed at friendlies (not the AMS carrier itself), there should be a .5 cbill and .25 exp credit per missile eliminated.

Reward actions that are 'team play' oriented, absolutely.

[mogs01gt]

IceFire, on 20 January 2016 - 03:12 AM, said:

So with Polar Express comes great LRM warfare. Personally, I love the **** out of it! I have my little red kerensky worshipping kitfox with 3 AMS overloaded and range enhanced.
But most allies won't bring AMS. Mostly because it doesn't directly kill enemies, and no one likes buying defense? But it also doesn't earn you cash!
Why doesn't AMS earn us cbills/XP from shooting down missiles? Not a huge amount, but Tag, Narc, ECM, UAV all give CBills/XP, but one of the best herd immunity weapons doesn't give any and that makes me sad.
PGI! I beg you, give us AMS bros cbill earnings! Let us show the rest why Polar Hypelands is a brilliant map in both design and gameplay! And please give us more maps like it!

I agree totally!! AMS should supply cbills!

[Variant1]

I don't know maybe because ams doesn't stop all the lrms? or it gets absolutely overwhelming by lots of small launchers? the fact it doesn't work half the time? no offense op but the lrm bias is kinda obvious.

[Lord Perversor]

Make AMS ammo award extra C-bills or even EXP

The amount of extra c-bills and exp you earn it's based on how much AMS ammo you burn in a match.

This may encourage some ppl to mount AMS on mech for further C-bill farming.

[Metus regem]

Variant1, on 20 January 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

I don't know maybe because ams doesn't stop all the lrms? or it gets absolutely overwhelming by lots of small launchers? the fact it doesn't work half the time? no offense op but the lrm bias is kinda obvious.

you clearly have not seen what triple AMS does to LRM vollies....

[Variant1]

Metus regem, on 20 January 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

you clearly have not seen what triple AMS does to LRM vollies....

even triple ams still gets overwhelmed. If its small launchers only like lrm 5s then sure the triple ams will shred those but lrm 10,15 and 20 volleys overwhelm it.

edit: more than 1 volley keep in mind

Edited by Variant1, 20 January 2016 - 09:15 AM.

[Almond Brown]

El Bandito, on 20 January 2016 - 03:44 AM, said:

1. Because it doesn't take any skill to use AMS. You mount it and maybe toggle it off indoors, but that's it. Unlike TAG or NARC.

2. If people are dumb enough not use some thing that is offered, then they are stupid and should pay for their stupidity.

3. BECAUSE VICTORY IS ITS OWN REWARD.

LOL! Word is that LRM's take No Skill to use either and yet they get C-Bill rewards for using them... There should be no discrimination between No Skill systems, be they Offensive or Defensive. Down with NO Skill discrimination... LOL!

[Dimento Graven]

Almond Brown, on 20 January 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

LOL! Word is that LRM's take No Skill to use either and yet they get C-Bill rewards for using them... There should be no discrimination between No Skill systems, be they Offensive or Defensive. Down with NO Skill discrimination... LOL!

LRMs require less skill, again all you need to be able to do is the following:

1. Look for big squares in HUD.
2. Is big square 1000 meters or less in distance (and for IS, more than 180 meters)? If yes, go to step 3, If no go to step 1.
3. Put little circle in big square
4. Wait for big circle
5. Pull trigger.
6. Keep big circle in general vicinity of big square.
7. Wait for the computer to deliver damage.
8. Cursor change shape/flash red? If yes, go to step 5, if no, go to step 1.

NOT a lot of skill required for that...