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[Davegt27]

cool looking jump ship

[Zolaz]

That's a spider.

[Davegt27]

Edited by Davegt27, 19 January 2016 - 07:34 AM.

[Rekkon]

I admit I am not as familiar with AeroTech stuff, but is that even vaguely correct? It looks way too big, and DropShips do not launch from internal bays.

[Adamski]

More likely that is a Dropship with Aerofighters launching from it.

Jumpships pretty much never leave the Nadir / Zenith of the systems Star, as they are too busy trying to recharge the Fukushima jump drives IIRC.

The only other possible ship would be a Clan warship, which would also be launching Aerofighters.

[Rekkon]

Those are very clearly MWO Leopard DropShips.

[Stingray Productions]

Rekkon, on 19 January 2016 - 01:50 PM, said:

Those are very clearly MWO Leopard DropShips.

Agreed, they like quite distinguishable to me.

[Davegt27]

maybe we can get Tina to get some better shots

[Naglinator]

Oh so you have absolutely no idea what a jump ship is? Neat.


www.sarna.net enjoy.

[xX PUG Xx]

My guess would be a "little" artistic licence with something like a Mackenna class WarShip but IIRC they only had internal bays for shuttles and AeroSpace fighters,,the DropShips were externally docked.

It does look cool though

[gloowa]

xX PUG Xx, on 19 January 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

My guess would be a "little" artistic licence with something like a Mackenna class WarShip but IIRC they only had internal bays for shuttles and AeroSpace fighters,,the DropShips were externally docked.

TBH, i would expect Leopards to come into hangar. They are small enough for that to be practical. Think UD-4L Cheyenne Dropship docking with Costenoga-class troop transport in Aliens movie.

[xX PUG Xx]

gloowa, on 20 January 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

TBH, i would expect Leopards to come into hangar. They are small enough for that to be practical. Think UD-4L Cheyenne Dropship docking with Costenoga-class troop transport in Aliens movie.

I wouldn't have thought thought so, purely from an engineering and scale point.

The Leopard is 1900 tonnes IIRC, carries four 'Mechs and two AeroSpace fighters, whereas the transport in Aliens simply carried a troop transport vehicle; which looks smaller than a prime mover (the 'Mech recovery truck).

I would expect the Leopard to be more than four times the mass of the Cheyenne; possibly 3-4 times the height alone. So while the WarShip might have the space and mass to accomodate such a vessel, from an engineering point it would be impractical.

Plus the vessel shown would have to be far larger than even a Leviathan (2.5 million tonnes IIRC) for the scale to be correct. So again it comes down to some artistic licence and probably a bit of "outside" influence from the likes of Aliens, B5, Star Wars.

Just my opinion though

[gloowa]

xX PUG Xx, on 20 January 2016 - 12:09 PM, said:

I wouldn't have thought thought so, purely from an engineering and scale point.

The Leopard is 1900 tonnes IIRC, carries four 'Mechs and two AeroSpace fighters, whereas the transport in Aliens simply carried a troop transport vehicle; which looks smaller than a prime mover (the 'Mech recovery truck).

I would expect the Leopard to be more than four times the mass of the Cheyenne; possibly 3-4 times the height alone. So while the WarShip might have the space and mass to accomodate such a vessel, from an engineering point it would be impractical.

Plus the vessel shown would have to be far larger than even a Leviathan (2.5 million tonnes IIRC) for the scale to be correct. So again it comes down to some artistic licence and probably a bit of "outside" influence from the likes of Aliens, B5, Star Wars.

Just my opinion though

I dunno man. While you are technically right, you need to take Mech maintance into account as well. Larger DropShips have the benefit of having some space for repair bays, etc, Leopard is just cargo bay with clamps to hold mechs. Imagine trying to take Atlas in or out of Leopard in zero-g and vacuum, while outside of any ship, then "pushing" it to some other ship for maintance and repairs and then pushing it back. Having even a simple hangar that allows for Mechs to disembark Leopard under own power and proceed to repair bays would be super-beneficial.

<realizes how nerdy this conversation is>

[Rekkon]

Leopards are designed to get the smallest size mech unit to and from a planet. Maintenance is at best a secondary concern. You do that planetside. Remember Battletech has no artificial gravity. That means a Leopard is either under zero-G or at full burn while in space. Being an aerodyne, her axis of thrust is perpendicular to "down" when dropping mechs, which means any work would have to be done perpendicular to the machines. I do not think mech transfer in space happens very often. Wait a week and do it on the ground.

According to Sarna, a Leopard is 1900 tons, 66 meters long, 51.6 meters wide and 22.4 meters tall. Battletech is perfectly capable of building a bay to hold that on a space station or WarShip, but it would be an incredibly inefficient use of space and mass. Anything big enough to hold a Leopard is still too small to accommodate "serious" DropShips, and is wasting all kinds of space when filled with mechs or aerospace fighters. It is way too specialized.

[ice trey]

Stingray1234, on 19 January 2016 - 01:53 PM, said:

Agreed, they like quite distinguishable to me.

Also agreed.

The problem is that PGI done goofed the scale of a jumpship, which aren't anywhere near that large. Dropships dock on the outside, like a leech. Fighters can fit inside the jumpship, but only shipyards would be big enough to contain dropships inside their hulls like that. Even the biggest Jumpship ever built in the setting is only 1700 meters long, and that's the over-the-top Leviathan class warship made by the Snow Ravens and Ghost Bear. Usually you don't see anything even go past a Kilometer in length. For reference, the most likely jumpship you'd see for military use in an invasion would likely be the "Invader" class, a paltry half-kilometer long, compared to the Leopard Dropships' 66 meter length or the Union class Dropship's 82 meter diameter.

What we see in the CW previews is beyond Warhammer 40000 levels of silly, likely far bigger than the biggest the IoM has to offer.

Edited by ice trey, 21 January 2016 - 07:07 AM.

[Rekkon]

Speaking of such things, I want a map where both sides arrive via a Union-class DropShip and disembark after it lands. Also one where we get delivered via orbital drop, if only so I can say "Express elevator to hell, going DOWN" every time the timer hits zero.

[Davegt27]

ok how about the Newgrange-class yardship

"the two-and-half kilometer long and two point three million ton"

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Newgrange

[Rekkon]

While that is certainly big enough, it is also not what we see in the video. Those Leopards are not leaving a bay big enough to service WarShips. There is also the problem of no known operational Newgranges in MWO's timeframe, and the point that such a ship would be servicing your fleet, not launching planetary assaults/raids.

[gloowa]

I will still say that for trailers, the rule of cool trumps lore/facts/reason. And gargantuan spaceships are cool.

[Mayhem McCrea]

http://www.sarna.net...tation_class%29

Possibly one of these? Limited information on Sarna, Jumpship-shaped overall but designed to facilitate dropship repair. 975m long 600m wide. 100,000 tons seems strangely light, indicating pretty darn hollow inside?

Mind you what it's doing assaulting the planet below it, I'm not sure. Maybe it's not, maybe it's in orbit and those Leopards are making use of the planets gravity to slingshot themselves out to a waiting invader jumpship.