33 replies to this topic

[Paqu]

Rogue Jedi, on 24 January 2016 - 11:32 AM, said:

for the Gauss build if you change the ERMLs for ERSLs you could save a ton for more Gauss ammo, and if you play around with the Omnipods you can put both lasers on the same side, which will help with weapon convergence, perhaps something like this: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...43cd5cd3e4d22a3

unfortunately I have never witnessed the jumping problem so do not have any suggestions

Sounds like an interesting idea. Also it would make more sense to have the gauss on the left as it would feel more natural to fire with left mouse button when the shot also leaves from the same side. Looks like the Shadow Cat has some special medium lasers with extended range, so it might be too big of a sacrifice to swap them for small ones because I will lose a lot of range. I guess I just have to try to get by with what ammo I have.

Autobot9000, on 24 January 2016 - 11:51 AM, said:

You can make viable builds with both of them. I would expect the Stormcrow to be more beginner friendly, because it doesnt devote hardwired JJs and MASC. Hence the Stormcrow has relatively spoken more tonnage for weapons.

Both chassis have decent hardpoints, but the stormcrow has most of them high mounted, which is again a nice advantage. If you decide for one of them you should probably buy 3 variants to unlock the efficiencies.

Already got both of them, but thanks for the advice anyways.

Edited by Paqu, 24 January 2016 - 12:14 PM.

[Autobot9000]

Some pretty competitive builds you may wanna consider

Stormcrow builds
SCR-PRIME: 2 LPL, 3 SPL
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e31c830f294398b

SCR-A: 4 SPL, 3 ASRM6
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...fb14afba59f72eb

SCR-B: 6 ER-SL, U/AC20
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...efe393a08b028a2

Shadowcat builds
SHC-A: 2 ERPPC
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a1747247da93b03

SHC-B: ECM, 2 SPL, 3 ASRM6
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d037b74795ad6a6

SHC-P: U/AC10, 6 MGs
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6992f66201bed91

[Rogue Jedi]

Paqu, on 24 January 2016 - 12:13 PM, said:

Looks like the Shadow Cat has some special medium lasers with extended range, so it might be too big of a sacrifice to swap them for small ones because I will lose a lot of range. I guess I just have to try to get by with what ammo I have.

Clan ER Medium Lasers are almost as good ^{(in terms of range and damage)} as IS Large Lasers.
Clan ER Smalls are almost as good as IS Medium Lasers.

In exchange for the extra range and damage they have longer discharge times and generate more heat, the ER Mediums are the same on any Clan Mech.
By swapping ERML for ERSL you will loose 200m and 2 damage per laser down from 7 damage and 405m optomum range to 5 damage and 200m optomum range per laser

[Windscape]

Stormcrow is always great, but the Shadowcat is FUN. I don't need to say anything about the SCR bc that has already been said. If all else fails, the Shadowcat is a great sniper. I recommend buying the P. I outfitted it w/ 2 ERLL for sniping, 6MG's, and a SRM4. I run 1 ton of ammo for the SRM and 3 for the MG's. Downside is i didn't have any spare tonnage for ECM, I just wanted raw power. (also its best to learn w/out ECM) It works great on pug matches. Softening up targets w/ the 2ERLL and finishing them up with the MG's and SRM4 (the SRM4 is a great compliment to the MG's, giving them a nice punch. I have had brawls before w/ the 6mg's alone (probably they were open in 1 spot.) I recommend giving the Shadowcat a try!

and give my build a try too!
SHC-P

some other good ones
SHC-P (sniper)
SHC-P (Wub Snipe)
SHC-P (Lurms, could be improved upon)
And a "interesting" one.
SHC-P

Edited by Windscape, 24 January 2016 - 07:33 PM.

[Paqu]

Autobot9000, on 24 January 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Some pretty competitive builds you may wanna consider

Stormcrow builds
SCR-PRIME: 2 LPL, 3 SPL
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e31c830f294398b

SCR-A: 4 SPL, 3 ASRM6
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...fb14afba59f72eb

SCR-B: 6 ER-SL, U/AC20
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...efe393a08b028a2

Shadowcat builds
SHC-A: 2 ERPPC
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a1747247da93b03

SHC-B: ECM, 2 SPL, 3 ASRM6
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d037b74795ad6a6

SHC-P: U/AC10, 6 MGs
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6992f66201bed91

I will definately try the ERPPC build once I buy another variant from this.

Windscape, on 24 January 2016 - 07:32 PM, said:

Stormcrow is always great, but the Shadowcat is FUN. I don't need to say anything about the SCR bc that has already been said. If all else fails, the Shadowcat is a great sniper. I recommend buying the P. I outfitted it w/ 2 ERLL for sniping, 6MG's, and a SRM4. I run 1 ton of ammo for the SRM and 3 for the MG's. Downside is i didn't have any spare tonnage for ECM, I just wanted raw power. (also its best to learn w/out ECM) It works great on pug matches. Softening up targets w/ the 2ERLL and finishing them up with the MG's and SRM4 (the SRM4 is a great compliment to the MG's, giving them a nice punch. I have had brawls before w/ the 6mg's alone (probably they were open in 1 spot.) I recommend giving the Shadowcat a try!

and give my build a try too!
SHC-P

some other good ones
SHC-P (sniper)
SHC-P (Wub Snipe)
SHC-P (Lurms, could be improved upon)
And a "interesting" one.
SHC-P

Your build looks very interesting indeed. I think I have my three variants of shadowcats narrowed down. My current Prime which I will continue to use to snipe with the Gauss, then a second one, SHC-A which I will turn into ERPPC sniper and third where I will use your SHC-P build.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

TercieI, on 23 January 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Stormcrow. Good mech, great hit boxes. Can do energy, missiles or a big ballistic. The Shadow Cat is meh at best. Hard point and tonnage starved and just generally underwhelming.

While I agree with these points about the mechs, I might argue that the more challenging one (SHC) might be better for a new player overall, for sake of the challenge. Relatively speaking, the SCR would be easy mode. GREAT mech. Makes winning feel almost TOO Easy sometimes. And ridiculously survivable. Got my BAD COMPANY title in one of those. And I'd argue that you might get TOO accustomed to being relatively hard to kill, and that might be a hindrance overall to a new player.

On the other hand, the SHC has that ECM, and the Jeebus Box is an infamous crutch for new players. WITHOUT it, though, the SHC is a great first mech.

If one could discipline one's self to run the ECM on ONLY one SHC, and not ALL of them, then I'd say that's the mech to run with.

Otherwise, I might say, "NEITHER. Get a Nova and GIT GUD LOL!"

[Leone]

Paqu, on 24 January 2016 - 12:13 PM, said:

Sounds like an interesting idea. Also it would make more sense to have the gauss on the left as it would feel more natural to fire with left mouse button when the shot also leaves from the same side.

Totally does! So, when I first started I was working on a classic two button mouse, so right side, left side was a staple. Now, even though I've a more button mouse, I still keep right side/left side for the first two buttons. It's just so intuitive to always know when I drop inna mech, that that button shoots from the left.

~Leone.

[Paqu]

TheRAbbi, on 25 January 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

While I agree with these points about the mechs, I might argue that the more challenging one (SHC) might be better for a new player overall, for sake of the challenge. Relatively speaking, the SCR would be easy mode. GREAT mech. Makes winning feel almost TOO Easy sometimes. And ridiculously survivable. Got my BAD COMPANY title in one of those. And I'd argue that you might get TOO accustomed to being relatively hard to kill, and that might be a hindrance overall to a new player.

On the other hand, the SHC has that ECM, and the Jeebus Box is an infamous crutch for new players. WITHOUT it, though, the SHC is a great first mech.

If one could discipline one's self to run the ECM on ONLY one SHC, and not ALL of them, then I'd say that's the mech to run with.

Otherwise, I might say, "NEITHER. Get a Nova and GIT GUD LOL!"

Yes you are absolutely right. I took the Stormcrow as the first mech and it sure is powerfull. I was quite consistenly putting 600-800 damage per round and sometimes even finishing with 4-5 kills where 1-2 were solo kills. I could go close range and longish range with it and do well.

So I ended up maxing out the basic skill tree for that mech and then switched to Shadow Cat. Now my problem with Shadow Cat was just always running out of Gauss ammo, so I have now removed the ECM and replaced it with gauss ammo. So I guess you could now say Iam learning the game from the "hard" way.

Btw quick question. If I buy camo is it only available for that one mech I buy it or can I use it on other variants and mechs as well? And ofc Iam not talking about the single use camos.

[Leone]

Paqu, on 26 January 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

Btw quick question. If I buy camo is it only available for that one mech I buy it or can I use it on other variants and mechs as well? And ofc Iam not talking about the single use camos.

I am Glad you asked!

So, Cammo. When you buy a pattern you buy it for that Chassis forever. So all your stormcrows, but no other mechs for instance. Sell a stormcrow an buy it back? Still got the cammo! Buy a new Stormcrow? Cammo! It is for that reason most folk suggest one shots however. You'd hafta change your cammo pattern like... ten times or something to make full cammo purchases worthwhile, since you can spread the MC out amongst more mechs with one shots.

Now Colours are a horse of another flavour. You buy a Colour, you buy the Colour for all mechs, ever. You can in fact, get a cammo pattern, and just keep slapping new Colours on there.

~Leone.

Edited by Leone, 26 January 2016 - 12:12 PM.

[Void Angel]

TheRAbbi, on 25 January 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

While I agree with these points about the mechs, I might argue that the more challenging one (SHC) might be better for a new player overall, for sake of the challenge.

I can see the point, but depending on the player, there's:



And then there's:

[Rogue Jedi]

Leone, on 26 January 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

I am Glad you asked!

So, Cammo. When you buy a pattern you buy it for that Chassis forever. So all your stormcrows, but no other mechs for instance. Sell a stormcrow an buy it back? Still got the cammo! Buy a new Stormcrow? Cammo! It is for that reason most folk suggest one shots however. You'd hafta change your cammo pattern like... ten times or something to make full cammo purchases worthwhile, since you can spread the MC out amongst more mechs with one shots.

just to clarify because Leone did not explecitly say it

there are 2 ways to buy cammo:
unlock where it is available for all non hero variants of a Mech forever after the initial purchase

one shot, a single application to a single Mech, if you change the pattern and want to put it back you have to buy it again, but the one shot is cheep, usualy 75 or 125 MC, the unlock usualy costs 10 times as much, for $6.99 you can get 1250 MC

[Paqu]

I can now afford to buy another variant of the Shadow Cat. Can I use omnipods from my current shadow cat to the new variant or do I need to still buy the other omnipods as I believe I cannot save my build without a leg for example?

[MechWarrior4023212]

I have a Stormcrow and it seems pretty hardy and hits hard.

[Leone]

Step one, pull omnipods offa current shadowcat.
Step two, save.

~Leone.