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[Frank Burns]

Just curious will we ever see madcat mk II-IV ingame?
I would gladly sell my hamster for it ^^

[martian]

LilShlomo, on 24 January 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Just curious will we ever see madcat mk II-IV ingame?
I would gladly sell my hamster for it ^^

Mad Cat Mk.II is from 3066.
Mad Cat Mk.III is from 3086 (prototype slightly earlier).
Mad Cat Mk.IV is from 3136.

They sport technologies such as XXL engines, Ferro-Lamellor armor, Hyper-Assault Gauss Rifles, Advanced Tactical Missiles, Artemis V, CASE II., etc.

So probably "not soon".

Edited by martian, 24 January 2016 - 10:19 AM.

[Khobai]

hopefully never

[MauttyKoray]

martian, on 24 January 2016 - 10:15 AM, said:

Mad Cat Mk.II is from 3066.
Mad Cat Mk.III is from 3086 (prototype slightly earlier).
Mad Cat Mk.IV is from 3136.

They sport technologies such as XXL engines, Ferro-Lamellor armor, Hyper-Assault Gauss Rifles, Advanced Tactical Missiles, Artemis V, CASE II., etc.

So probably "not soon".

There was always the IS manufactured Mad Dog MkII variant? Not the actual MkII but the original Mad Dog manufactured in IS factories.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I'd like to see it eventually, but like Clan mechs, balance will get hairy again with the newer equipment that comes with it.

Anyway, the mech has always been a bit of an issue with me anyway. I like the mech in general, but I hate how it needs to be a Madcat. I always thought slapping the Madcat name on multiple different mechs in multiple different classes was either lazy or just a way to appease fans who just NEED to have a Madcat assault or medium.

Anyway, when PGI is ready, we will get it. Hopefully it won't be bowlegged like the one in MW4 :/

[Hit the Deck]

MeiSooHaityu, on 25 January 2016 - 05:08 AM, said:

...
Anyway, the mech has always been a bit of an issue with me anyway. I like the mech in general, but I hate how it needs to be a Madcat. I always thought slapping the Madcat name on multiple different mechs in multiple different classes was either lazy or just a way to appease fans who just NEED to have a Madcat assault or medium.
...

When they make a light Mad Cat, say a Mark V, then we can finally have all.

[Bishop Steiner]

LilShlomo, on 24 January 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Just curious will we ever see madcat mk II-IV ingame?
I would gladly sell my hamster for it ^^

someday.

After they decide ti's time to advance timeline.

[Metus regem]

Hit the Deck, on 25 January 2016 - 06:03 AM, said:

When they make a light Mad Cat, say a Mark V, then we can finally have all.

I madexa 35t omni version of it, called it the the Mk. V, nasty price of hard ware, 6/9 with F. Laminar armour and a load out in the Prime that is reminiscent of the Timber Wolf.... I'll dig it up later and post it for you.


Edit:

For Hit the Deck, and anyone else that wanted to see the Mk. V I mocked up:

Spoiler

Metus regem, on 03 February 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

A topic in a similar vane to the Hardened Arty Mech....

I went around to build a light Mad Cat, dubbed the Mk V, to round out the family so to speak:

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk V

Mass: 35 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A
Production Year: 3130
Cost: 6,235,313 C-Bills
Battle Value: 624

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 210 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Lamellor
Armament:
14.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 58 points 2.00
Internal Locations: 2 RT, 1 LA, 4 RA
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 210 4.50
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LL, 1 RL
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Lamellor AV - 119 8.50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 2 LT, 2 RT, 5 LA, 2 RA

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 11 17
Center Torso (rear) 5
L/R Torso 8 12
L/R Torso (rear) 4
L/R Arm 6 12
L/R Leg 8 16



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Base Cost: 6,235,313
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A BV2: 624

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 7,558,313
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A BV2: 1,335

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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iATM-3 RT 2 2 1.50
iATM-3 LT 2 2 1.50
Imp. Hvy Medium Laser RA 7 2 1.00
Imp. Hvy Small Laser RA 3 1 0.50
Imp. Hvy Medium Laser LA 7 2 1.00
Imp. Hvy Small Laser LA 3 1 0.50
@iATM-3 (20) RT - 1 1.00
@iATM-3 (HE) (20) RT - 1 1.00
@iATM-3 (20) LT - 1 1.00
@iATM-3 (HE) (20) LT - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 5 Points: 13
6 5 4 1 0 1 0 Structure: 2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: A Cost: 6,809,063
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A BV2: 858

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Ultra AC/2 RA 1 2 5.00
Ultra AC/2 LA 1 2 5.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) RT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/2 (90) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 16

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 5 Points: 9
6 1 1 1 0 1 0 Structure: 2
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: B Cost: 6,991,313
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A BV2: 1,288

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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2 Micro Pulse Lasers RT 2 2 1.00
2 Micro Pulse Lasers LT 2 2 1.00
Targeting Computer LT - 2 2.00
ER Small Pulse Laser RA 3 1 1.50
ER Medium Pulse Laser RA 6 2 2.00
ER Small Pulse Laser LA 3 1 1.50
ER Medium Pulse Laser LA 6 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 6

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 5 Points: 13
6 5 3 0 0 1 0 Structure: 2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


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Loadout Name: C Cost: 7,436,813
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-F-A BV2: 2,084

Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT 2.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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ER PPC RA 15 2 6.00
ER PPC LA 15 2 6.00
Free Critical Slots: 16

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 5 Points: 21
6/3j 2 2 2 0 1 1 Structure: 2
Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

As you can see, each config as a dedicated role, with the prime being as multi-role as possible, those most versions are heat natural, only the C suffers heat issues.

All versions are protected by 8.5 tons of FL armour, all use a "standard" ES chassis with a "standard" Clan 210 XL engine, these choices were made to keep each unit cost under control, with the prime being the most expensive, yet still under 8 million. This unit is ideally pared with the Mk. 3 due to the similar speed that the two share.

Anyways I am open to what you all think of it.

Edit:

I found a couple of errors in the C version, this is the revised version of it, if there is any interest in fluff for it, I can put something together for it.

wow I posted that nearly a year ago....

Edited by Metus regem, 25 January 2016 - 08:01 AM.

[VorpalAnvil]

Title is false. Christina Hoff Summers=based. Russ? Not so much.

[Hit the Deck]

Metus regem, on 25 January 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

I madexa 35t omni version of it, called it the the Mk. V, nasty price of hard ware, 6/9 with F. Laminar armour and a load out in the Prime that is reminiscent of the Timber Wolf.... I'll dig it up later and post it for you.


Edit:

For Hit the Deck, and anyone else that wanted to see the Mk. V I mocked up:

Spoiler

wow I posted that nearly a year ago....

A better Adder!

[MeiSooHaityu]

Hit the Deck, on 25 January 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

A better Adder!

Ahhh I get it.

The Cougar is basically the light Madcat. The Cougar is an improved Adder after all.

Hey, at least a Cougar is a cat, and could probably be a mad one at that

[Metus regem]

Hit the Deck, on 25 January 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

A better Adder!

And then some, her armour ignore 1 point per five damage.... so the big middle finger to the LB series AC's...

[martian]

MauttyKoray, on 25 January 2016 - 12:50 AM, said:

There was always the IS manufactured Mad Dog MkII variant?

Yes, that's true. Probably manufactured since 3060s or so.

However, saying that the Mad Dog Mk.II is "IS manufactured" is slightly misleading. Its factory is located in the Clan OZ, serves Clan needs and produces Clan 'Mechs.

MauttyKoray, on 25 January 2016 - 12:50 AM, said:

Not the actual MkII but the original Mad Dog manufactured in IS factories.

This is the actual Mk.II. There is no other Mad Dog Mk.II and never has been.

[FupDup]

Metus regem, on 25 January 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

I madexa 35t omni version of it, called it the the Mk. V, nasty price of hard ware, 6/9 with F. Laminar armour and a load out in the Prime that is reminiscent of the Timber Wolf.... I'll dig it up later and post it for you.

I actually did that myself in SSW as well, but I made my version have 7/11 MP instead of 6/9. Remember, the point of the Mad Cat in BT/TT is the be at the "apex" of its weight class, which means that making it have sub-par speed kinda detracts from that role.

Plus, you already have some 6/9 lights like the Adder that do practically the same thing, but there aren't any 35-ton Omni lights that go 7/11 or 8/12 (Owens doesn't count because it's so bad).

Edited by FupDup, 25 January 2016 - 09:14 AM.

[Metus regem]

FupDup, on 25 January 2016 - 09:14 AM, said:

I actually did that myself in SSW as well, but I made my version have 7/11 MP instead of 6/9. Remember, the point of the Mad Cat in BT/TT is the be at the "apex" of its weight class, which means that making it have sub-par speed kinda detracts from that role.

Plus, you already have some 6/9 lights like the Adder that do practically the same thing, but there aren't any 35-ton Omni lights that go 7/11 or 8/12 (Owens doesn't count because it's so bad).

You are very right Fup, I just chose to go a different route to make it an Apex unit, by giving it Ferro-Lamellor armour, as it effectively gave it 20% more protection than anything else 35t. It was also designed to work along side the Mk III (a 55T version that is also 6/9).

[FupDup]

Metus regem, on 25 January 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

You are very right Fup, I just chose to go a different route to make it an Apex unit, by giving it Ferro-Lamellor armour, as it effectively gave it 20% more protection than anything else 35t. It was also designed to work along side the Mk III (a 55T version that is also 6/9).

I built mine with more traditional tech for the base config, but with a fair use of several fancy higher tech guns...

Some of the builds I made were just pure batshit crazy, like 2 ERLL + 10 MGs + TC or the utterly insane 20 Micro Pulse Lasers + 6 JJs + TC.

A few were actually sane though, like the Prime with 2 ERML + 2 ERSL + 4 AP Gauss + 2 ARLM10. That one probably best encompasses the "essence" of the Mad Cat.

Edited by FupDup, 25 January 2016 - 09:33 AM.

[Metus regem]

FupDup, on 25 January 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

I built mine with more traditional tech for the base config, but with a fair use of several fancy higher tech guns...

Some of the builds I made were just pure batshit crazy, like 2 ERLL + 10 MGs + TC or the utterly insane 20 Micro Pulse Lasers + 6 JJs + TC.

A few were actually sane though, like the Prime with 2 ERML + 2 ERSL + 4 AP Gauss + 4 ATM3. That one probably best encompasses the "essence" of the Mad Cat's.

Well then, our Primes both fallow a "essence" of the Mad Cat.

[pbiggz]

Khobai, on 24 January 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:

hopefully never