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[TELEFORCE]

I was thinking about this earlier today. In the lore, the Warhawk was designed and built by Clan Smoke Jaguar with the targeting computer in mind. It was designed to easily accept the targeting computer in its open side torso as well as any expansion components required depending on the mass of direct-fire weapons fitted to it in a configuration.

Which makes me wonder: Should the Warhawk be able to benefit from targeting computer-specific quirks? If it got such quirks, what would they be? Would the existing pod weapon quirks need to go?

On the flipside, BattleTech 'mech construction rules prohibit the targeting computer from being fixed equipment due to its adjustable nature. So while the Warhawk can be equipped without a targeting computer by the construction rules, all canon Warhawk variants mount a targeting computer anyway.

Thoughts?

Edited by TELEFORCE, 24 January 2016 - 04:12 PM.

[Kristian Radoulov]

We need to balance ppcs and autocannons before we think about this.

[Cyborne Elemental]

As long as it occupies some of the fixed DHS slots on the LT, not a problem.

Otherwise, locked equipment is a bad idea, its already ruined many clan mechs.

[TELEFORCE]

I'm not suggesting the targeting computer be locked. I'm merely entertaining the possibility of the Warhawk getting quirks that would enhance the targeting computer's capabilities since the chassis has a targeting computer in every one of its canon configurations.

[Khobai]

or just make it so the higher level targeting computers dont suck

[TELEFORCE]

The targeting computers are being buffed in February, so we'll see what happens with that.

[xXBagheeraXx]

She just needs higher velocity quirks and better heat loss...27 heatsinks on my quad PPC build and she still runs incredibly hot.

[Funkin Disher]

xXBagheeraXx, on 24 January 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

She just needs higher velocity quirks and better heat loss...27 heatsinks on my quad PPC build and she still runs incredibly hot.

The only reason it has an LRM launcher is so all that ERPPC heat has some ammo to cook off.

[SpiralFace]

This is not something that needs quirks. This is something that needs the BASE piece of equipment to be of any use.

If the base piece of equipment was worth taking and you still want a tiny incentive, then sure. But as long as the TC remains predominantly useless past the 1 ton mark, you won't see this happen.

[xXBagheeraXx]

Ive run up to a MkIV on mine and not noticed a huge improvement until they added the velocity quirks on the Prime arms.

[MauttyKoray]

xXBagheeraXx, on 24 January 2016 - 08:18 PM, said:

Ive run up to a MkIV on mine and not noticed a huge improvement until they added the velocity quirks on the Prime arms.

ERPPC Warhawk + TC 5/6 = amazing velocity. Supplement with lasers and SRM for close range support

[Hit the Deck]

I could agree with this suggestion but cERPPCs are still HOT so the incentive of taking else besides DHS has to be BIG!

[totgeboren]

Perhaps I'm just a bad pilot, but the Warhawk feels like a pretty weak mech as it is. In many ways it is the Awesome of the Clanners.

If TC had buffs that followed tonnage in a linear fashion, you would have a rational reason for taking anything other than the 1 ton version (and even that is seldom seen on mechs), then I it would be pretty cool if the Warhawk got something like a 25%-50% quirk to TC buffs.
I have a hard time imagining Warhawks would become meta from that, but it could be cool to have a mech where the TC really is an integral part of mech design.

Or would say a 7 ton TC giving a 4.5%*7=31,5%, and then WH quirks of say 25% = 31,5*1,25=~40% velocity increase to projectiles be too much? Clan weapons sure, but they would be on a Warhawk with 7 tones tied up to a TC...

[El Bandito]

Yeah nerf the TC1 a bit and then buff TC2-7 in linear fashion.

[Felbombling]

They should go the same route they went with ECM when it comes to Targeting Computers as far as availability goes and crank up its usefulness. It could help weaker Mechs like the Suckoner if that gave it some sort of an advantage. I'd like them to go back to the tonnage/crit requirements per tonnage of direct fire weapons connected aspect, too. I'm sure most people running Targeting Computers run the 1 ton version for the up-front bonuses and do not bother with the larger versions.

[kapusta11]

It already has quirked TC: it weights zero tons, affects all your weapons, and imposes no penalty. And you know what's the best part? Every mech in the game has it too.

[TELEFORCE]

kapusta11, on 25 January 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

It already has quirked TC: it weights zero tons, affects all your weapons, and imposes no penalty. And you know what's the best part? Every mech in the game has it too.

I bet you're talking about a MechWarriors ability to aim at specific parts of a 'mech

[cSand]

TELEFORCE, on 24 January 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

The targeting computers are being buffed in February, so we'll see what happens with that.

O RLY, tell me more.. ?

[TELEFORCE]

Russ posted it on Twitter and another forum member brought it up in another topic about a week ago:

https://twitter.com/...917194545733633

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Okay thanks for your thoughts we have tapped out our changes for the Feb patch but between TC, MASC and a quirk round it will add a lot

I think a buff is planned.

[LordKnightFandragon]

PPCs would need to be decent to begin with and the damage/heat ratio would need to be worthy of removing the like 6 DHS it takes to fit a TC.