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[brroleg]

Why Clan BAP does not counter ECM while IS one does? I know Clan BAP has its own feature which IS one does not have - its detecting shutdowned mech. It was useful in books where IS military liked to create traps for Clans with shutdowned meches. In game its 100% useless feature, while IS BAP countering ECM is 100% useful feature.

This need to be fixed, for the sake of balance. Clans in game gimped in too many ways

Edited by brroleg, 31 January 2016 - 03:06 AM.

[sk1dz]

Clan BAP counters ECM just fine. Maybe you're piloting an ECM Mech yourself with BAP installed? In that case BAP won't work as it used to be because your ECM counterfeature overwrites the Active Probe.

[Revorn]

brroleg, on 31 January 2016 - 01:40 AM, said:

Clans in game gimped in too many ways

Lol

[brroleg]

sk1dz, on 31 January 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

Clan BAP counters ECM just fine

RTFM

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

brroleg, on 31 January 2016 - 01:40 AM, said:

Why Clan BAP does not counter ECM while IS one does? I know Clan BAP has its own feature which IS one does not have - its detecting shutdowned mech. It was useful in books where IS military liked to create traps for Clans with shutdowned meches. In game its 100% useless feature, while IS BAP countering ECM is 100% useful feature.

This need to be fixed, for the sake of balance. Clans in game gimped in too many ways

CAP and BAP work exactly the same in this game, the Clan one is just objectively better by weighing less and taking less slots. Its not listed for the CAP however, which leads to confusion.

Unless, of course, I'm entirely mistaken and my memories of countering enemy ECM while in CAP equipped mechs are more hazy than I know.

EDIT: upon looking it up I confirmed it. In the patch notes linked in the thread linked below it is mentioned that BAP (and CAP, though not outright mentioned) had a buff to their ECM counter ranges.

http://mwomercs.com/...7805-capbapecm/

Edited by Dakota1000, 31 January 2016 - 03:26 AM.

[brroleg]

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CAP and BAP work exactly the same in this game

Ingame description says otherwise

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

brroleg, on 31 January 2016 - 03:27 AM, said:

Ingame description says otherwise

For a person who quotes another man you don't seem to read into them much. Oh well, I've given you your answers, and so has everyone else.

[Yosharian]

brroleg, on 31 January 2016 - 03:27 AM, said:

Ingame description says otherwise

You must be new here.

[brroleg]

Yosharian, on 31 January 2016 - 03:33 AM, said:

You must be new here.

You saying what? Ingame descriptions does not reflect actual stats? Is PGI that bad?

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

brroleg, on 31 January 2016 - 03:39 AM, said:

You saying what? Ingame descriptions does not reflect actual stats? Is PGI that bad?

You sure do sound suspiciously like some old bitter vet acting as if they have no idea what something is really doing, spewing various opinions, and not looking at any facts you were given.

[sk1dz]

http://mwo.gamepedia...le_Active_Probe

Patch Notes: https://mwomercs.com...23-21-may-2013/

And now you can point out the Inner Sphere Tech Base in the first link to counter my argument .
Equip your Clan Active Probe on a Mech without ECM und see for yourself.

Yes, there's no proper description. Yes, it's irritating.


Are you a Newbie like myself, or are you a veteran smurf? As a newbie you are showing a pretty bad attitude .

[El Bandito]

Dakota1000, on 31 January 2016 - 03:20 AM, said:

CAP and BAP work exactly the same in this game, the Clan one is just objectively better by weighing less and taking less slots. Its not listed for the CAP however, which leads to confusion.

Not exactly the same. CAP can detect shutdown mechs within 150 meter radius while BAP can only detect shutdown mechs within 120 meter radius. This is on top of CAP weighing less and taking less slots than BAP. It should be balanced by either buffing BAP range to that of CAP range, or making BAP slightly better than CAP due to extra weight and slot.

Edited by El Bandito, 31 January 2016 - 04:14 AM.

[brroleg]

sk1dz, on 31 January 2016 - 03:43 AM, said:

Equip your Clan Active Probe on a Mech without ECM und see for yourself.

Okey, i tried and specially looked for enemy meches with ECM. Its indeed working, after battle i got points for counter ecm.
So its only description that need to be fixed.

Edited by brroleg, 31 January 2016 - 04:19 AM.

[Ssamout]

There is a ton of stuff that is not mentioned anywhere ingame. You got to read old, and really old patch notes to know them. PGI.

[Triordinant]

They should rewrite that description. Just sayin'.

[Pariah Devalis]

Triordinant, on 31 January 2016 - 07:11 AM, said:

They should rewrite that description. Just sayin'.

Yeah... but they should do a lot of things.....

El Bandito, on 31 January 2016 - 04:03 AM, said:

Not exactly the same. CAP can detect shutdown mechs within 150 meter radius while BAP can only detect shutdown mechs within 120 meter radius. This is on top of CAP weighing less and taking less slots than BAP. It should be balanced by either buffing BAP range to that of CAP range, or making BAP slightly better than CAP due to extra weight and slot.

Personally, I'd love it if both BAP and AP got their value increased, period. Make equipment (outside of ECM) worth taking. Imagine if (B)AP provided a 150 meter range 360 degree radar functionality?

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 31 January 2016 - 07:26 AM.

[Yosharian]

brroleg, on 31 January 2016 - 03:39 AM, said:

You saying what? Ingame descriptions does not reflect actual stats? Is PGI that bad?

Oh no, I would never say that.

I'd imply it though.

[Zeoraimer]

One of the first matches in my DWF (started in Dec and mastered in Jan), I didn't have enough CBills for the omni-pods I wanted, so I had 2 tons left over. Shoved in some spare parts: TC1 and CAP.

On Tourmaline, an ECM ACH stuck up behind me and triggered my seismic before he rounded the corner behind me, and came face to face with me. My team made it rain. He was so (doubly) surprised, he didn't even bother giving me any parting shots as he ran back around the corner...