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[Wikikomoto]

hello! i mostly play stock mechs, as im a bit obsessive over battletech lore. but i have a few questions regarding royal units.

firstly, when a mech gets upgraded to ferro armor, it seems their overall armor is increased? for example, the standard catapult C1 has 320/422 armor, while the C1b has 358/422.

they are never listed to have had 'added armor' just upgraded from standard to FF. so im lead to assume this goes for any royal upgraded to FF armor.

the reason im asking, is im trying to convert my warhammer 6R into the 6Rb. and i've done everything to it. double heat sinks, FF armor. artemis for the SRM. but i still have a bit of weight left, and no room. plus there is no mention of added ammo or the like. i have just enough room for to upgrade the armor to 358. and i assume this is what its for, but im not 100% sure.

also, what is the difference in designation between b and N? some royals are labeled as b, such as the C1b mentioned above, while others are given N, such as the griffin GRF-2N, another royal unit. is there some sort of significance to this? im trying to make a straight SLDF royal drop-deck for faction play, and im wondering if its "lore appropriate" to have both b and N units in the same lance

thanks for your time!

[Zeriniel]

So in TT, when units were upgraded to FF, it wasn't usually thought of as "this saves me X amount of weight" it was "I can now slap on more armor for the same weight as the standard armor".

And the variant designations usually reflect one of three things- the faction of manufacturing(primary user)/ the type of unit it is (in), and whatever sounds cool and military like. From my understanding, there's nothing that says the naming convention of Royal variants actually had them separated by chassis.

Check Sarna.net for further clarification, I'm just winging it.

[Bishop Steiner]

I don't seem to be able to find the actual record sheet, but you should have no extra tonange. I'm going to build it in FF does increase the number of points per ton available, let me see what I can whip up

Std Armor gives you 16 pts per ton (32 in MWO) and Ferro for IS is simply a 1.12 multiplier to that so a Stock 6R comes with 160 pts of armor (320 in MWO) whereas 10 tons of ferro is 179 pts of armor (358) or a little more than a ton "free". The issue being I can't find how the armor is distributed stock for the 6Rb. Maybe StruM Wealh will have that info.

Best guess with info on hand
WHM-6Rb
is about how yours should look

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 31 January 2016 - 07:43 AM.

[Wikikomoto]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 January 2016 - 07:37 AM, said:

I don't seem to be able to find the actual record sheet, but you should have no extra tonange. I'm going to build it in FF does increase the number of points per ton available, let me see what I can whip up

Std Armor gives you 16 pts per ton (32 in MWO) and Ferro for IS is simply a 1.12 multiplier to that so a Stock 6R comes with 160 pts of armor (320 in MWO) whereas 10 tons of ferro is 179 pts of armor (358) or a little more than a ton "free". The issue being I can't find how the armor is distributed stock for the 6Rb. Maybe StruM Wealh will have that info.

Best guess with info on hand
WHM-6Rb
is about how yours should look

thanks a bunch! this is exactly how i have mine set up, so it looks like i did everything correctly.

and im free to use both N and B variants in a single lance then? if they are just production numbers and nothing more. i was under the assumption that they could be used for first or second line legions depending on the designation?

[martian]

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

hello! i mostly play stock mechs, as im a bit obsessive over battletech lore. but i have a few questions regarding royal units.

Go ahead!

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

firstly, when a mech gets upgraded to ferro armor, it seems their overall armor is increased? for example, the standard catapult C1 has 320/422 armor, while the C1b has 358/422.

Not always. For example the Royal Locust kept the same overall ammount of armor, even though it upgraded to FF armor.

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

they are never listed to have had 'added armor' just upgraded from standard to FF. so im lead to assume this goes for any royal upgraded to FF armor.

Actually, sometimes they are listed with "added armor" note.

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

the reason im asking, is im trying to convert my warhammer 6R into the 6Rb. and i've done everything to it. double heat sinks, FF armor. artemis for the SRM. but i still have a bit of weight left, and no room. plus there is no mention of added ammo or the like. i have just enough room for to upgrade the armor to 358. and i assume this is what its for, but im not 100% sure.

As for armor, that's as it should be. Do you have the correct amount of heat sinks?

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

also, what is the difference in designation between b and N? some royals are labeled as b, such as the C1b mentioned above, while others are given N, such as the griffin GRF-2N, another royal unit. is there some sort of significance to this? im trying to make a straight SLDF royal drop-deck for faction play, and im wondering if its "lore appropriate" to have both b and N units in the same lance

thanks for your time!

No big difference. Although the "b" designation is the most typical one, other letters such as "N" or "H" were used too. No big deal.

[Hawk_eye]

What Bishop said. When you are upgrading your armor in the mech-lab, you _keep_ the amount of armor on your mech (10 tons for the stock Warhammer, for example) but the FF armor provides more armor for the same weight, thus the increased armor _count_.
As for distribution, I´d just distribute it on a "per-ton" basis like stock, i.e. where there were 16 points of armor before, there are now 18 (16 x 1.12 = 17.92) equally rounding up/down as needed.

[Wikikomoto]

martian, on 31 January 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

Go ahead!


Not always. For example the Royal Locust kept the same overall ammount of armor, even though it upgraded to FF armor.


Actually, sometimes they are listed with "added armor" note.


As for armor, that's as it should be. Do you have the correct amount of heat sinks?


No big difference. Although the "b" designation is the most typical one, other letters such as "N" or "H" were used too. No big deal.

thank you! i do have the correct ammount of heatsinks.

i have it set up exactly like bishop had his on smurfy. so it looks like im good to go! thanks everyone for the input, i wasent expecting to get replies back to quick!

Antecursor Venatus, on 31 January 2016 - 07:50 AM, said:

What Bishop said. When you are upgrading your armor in the mech-lab, you _keep_ the amount of armor on your mech (10 tons for the stock Warhammer, for example) but the FF armor provides more armor for the same weight, thus the increased armor _count_.
As for distribution, I´d just distribute it on a "per-ton" basis like stock, i.e. where there were 16 points of armor before, there are now 18 (16 x 1.12 = 17.92) equally rounding up/down as needed.

and this is great too, i actually wasent too sure of the specifics of FF armor in game beforehand. i had always just been using it as a general weight saver before i started running stock, but i can finally wrap my head around it.

[Zeriniel]

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 07:49 AM, said:

thanks a bunch! this is exactly how i have mine set up, so it looks like i did everything correctly.

and im free to use both N and B variants in a single lance then? if they are just production numbers and nothing more. i was under the assumption that they could be used for first or second line legions depending on the designation?

http://bg.battletech...p?topic=49269.0

Check out this thread on the official BT forum. Might have some info you need in there as far as unit designation.

[Wikikomoto]

Zeriniel, on 31 January 2016 - 08:03 AM, said:

http://bg.battletech...p?topic=49269.0

Check out this thread on the official BT forum. Might have some info you need in there as far as unit designation.

oh jeez, i had no idea there was a royal version of the wolverine. i hate to ask, but can someone help me with this build? im trying to make the wolverine II out of the standard 6R. but i cant seem to do it right, im not sure if its supposed to have an XL engine or not..

[Zeriniel]

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

oh jeez, i had no idea there was a royal version of the wolverine. i hate to ask, but can someone help me with this build? im trying to make the wolverine II out of the standard 6R. but i cant seem to do it right, im not sure if its supposed to have an XL engine or not..

Working on it now. I'll update when I have it done.

Edit: I think this is right, I'll verify in a moment

This is the correct loadout

Edited by Zeriniel, 31 January 2016 - 08:54 AM.

[martian]

Old Zaku, on 31 January 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

oh jeez, i had no idea there was a royal version of the wolverine. i hate to ask, but can someone help me with this build? im trying to make the wolverine II out of the standard 6R. but i cant seem to do it right, im not sure if its supposed to have an XL engine or not..

I don't want to sound too harsh, but if you really are interested in SLDF Royal 'Mechs, what do you think about the idea of actually buying BattleTech product (from CGL) containing those Royals?

[Zeriniel]

martian, on 31 January 2016 - 08:37 AM, said:

I don't want to sound too harsh, but if you really are interested in SLDF Royal 'Mechs, what do you think about the idea of actually buying BattleTech product (from CGL) containing those Royals?

In this case the mechs are spread between the Field Manual SLDF, Record Sheets 2750, and Record Sheets Operation Klondike


Superseded below

Edited by Zeriniel, 31 January 2016 - 09:10 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

in no official source am I finding a Royals version of the Wolverine
http://www.masteruni...o=&FactionAuto=

eh never mind..didn't realize the 7H was supposed to be one. MEH.

Wolverine II look a bit like the Grizzly to anyone else?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 31 January 2016 - 08:59 AM.

[Zeriniel]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 January 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

in no official source am I finding a Royals version of the Wolverine
http://www.masteruni...o=&FactionAuto=

eh never mind..didn't realize the 7H was supposed to be one. MEH.

I posted the pertinent info just as you posted your retraction. And then the forum wouldn't let me delete my post. So I was viciously refreshing and clicking delete.

[martian]

Zeriniel, on 31 January 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

In this case the mechs are spread between the Field Manual SLDF, Record Sheets 2750, and Record Sheets Operation Klondike

Field Manual: SLDF contains no Royal 'Mechs.
Record Sheets: 2750 does not exist.
Record Sheets: Operation Klondike contain about one half of Royal 'Mechs.

It's important to buy actual and official BattleTech products, if you like BattleTech.

[Zeriniel]

martian, on 31 January 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

Field Manual: SLDF contains no Royal 'Mechs.
Record Sheets: 2750 does not exist.
Record Sheets: Operation Klondike contain about one half of Royal 'Mechs.

It's important to buy actual and official BattleTech products, if you like BattleTech.

Mea Culpa - Was trying to go off of hard memory.

Field Manual SLDF was for unit organization and general info about the SLDF

Edit: Royal variants are also spread throughout RS: 3075 as well.

Edited by Zeriniel, 31 January 2016 - 09:07 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Zeriniel, on 31 January 2016 - 09:05 AM, said:

Mea Culpa - Was trying to go off of hard memory.

Field Manual SLDF was for unit organization and general info about the SLDF

Edit: Royal variants are also spread throughout RS: 3075 as well.

well since Royal variants are all retconned to sell more books, yeah.

[Wikikomoto]

Zeriniel, on 31 January 2016 - 08:35 AM, said:

Working on it now. I'll update when I have it done.

Edit: I think this is right, I'll verify in a moment

This is the correct loadout

thanks a billion!!~ this helps a ton

and actually, i have the recently re-released SLDF field manual, it dosent have much for mechs, its more about the orginization as a whole, and the history (which is why im really interested in royal units) dont worry, i buy all my battletech stuff. its just hard to come by these days

[FLG 01]

If you are looking for the Royals units, the TRO:3075 lists all of them neatly on one page (169). The detailed stats can be found in RS:3075u (pp.15-36). For the purpose of MWO however, the TRO data is sufficient.

Keep in mind that with the exception of the MAD-1R no Royal saw action in MWO's timeline, and the MAD-1R was limited to ComStar. (Not that it matters much).

[Karl Marlow]

Don't forget when you are making stock loadouts to double the armor you put on the mach. Otherwise you will have tonnage left over.