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[Atlasian]

Mavairo, on 31 January 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

One inspired more by this perhaps?

Ours looks....chunky...and still has Weeny sized PPCs after all. At least on THIS version they look more fit with the lines of the mech...

This is THE Battlemaster. Yes, I would like to have it. Thank you.

[DaZur]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 January 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

I wish I could be pure lore, trust me, but no usage would not increase. Maybe initially, but after people got their butts handed to them consistently, they'd stop using it no matter how it looks, for the majority of players.

Also, IDK what you are talking about tbh. I still see Battlemasters all the time. Virtually every drop. Ugly or not they are a solid machine.


Banshee and Battlemasters and then probably stalkers.

Now you're confusing me... Your stance is usage would hardly rise if at all as butts would be distributed copiously and then in the next paragraph your infer you see them all the time as they are a solid mech?

As for me, I teeter between tier 3 and 4 depending upon which way the wind is blowing... so I can't vouch for tier 2. That said, in my deep end of the pool the Battlemaster doesn't swim.

To that end, there a lot of players like myself who are helpless nostalgists who suffer any amount of butt whoop'n and dutifully pilot our favorite mechs regardless of the consequences...

[Bishop Steiner]

DaZur, on 31 January 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

Now you're confusing me... Your stance is usage would hardly rise if at all as butts would be distributed copiously and then in the next paragraph your infer you see them all the time as they are a solid mech?

As for me, I teeter between tier 3 and 4 depending upon which way the wind is blowing... so I can't vouch for tier 2. That said, in my deep end of the pool the Battlemaster doesn't swim.

To that end, there a lot of players like myself who are helpless nostalgists who suffer any amount of butt whoop'n and dutifully pilot our favorite mechs regardless of the consequences...

Let me clear up your confusion.

1) In MWO, as of now, the BLR is a solid, top tier assault, and pretty common, actually.
2) Changing it to be visually pretty, but hitbox poor, as in the CGL version, would be detrimental to this. Because only a small percentage of people enjoy and intentionally play bad robots.

I'd love it if we could play them all for the pretty pretty and lore. But in an FPS, the reality ain't so.

Players like yourself, or even myself, are in the minority, and thus, making it into a bad robot that the minority might embrace more will not see it actualyl appear MORE in the game.

Better now?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 31 January 2016 - 10:02 PM.

[DaZur]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 January 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

Better now?

This is a better hitbox


Than this:


Aside from the PPC and the ubiquitous cockpit dome (which PGi would fix like they do with the magic polygon no doubt) I'm hard pressed to see where that's a superior hitbox.

Clearly your rubbing my rhubarb...

[Wintersdark]

DaZur, on 31 January 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

To that end, there a lot of players like myself who are helpless nostalgists who suffer any amount of butt whoop'n and dutifully pilot our favorite mechs regardless of the consequences...

There are; but you know what there are more of? Players who, while they may or may not be nostaligists, won't play a mech that's objectively bad very much.

Oh, they'll play them for a bit, but eventually bad mechs tend to get shelved in favour of mechs that work better.

This becomes more visible in leaps and bounds as one progresses in PSR. Because while people love their Mechs, they also enjoy winning.

[EGG]

Want bubble cockpit

Maybe big gun too

[Bishop Steiner]

DaZur, on 31 January 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

This is a better hitbox


Than this:


Aside from the PPC and the ubiquitous cockpit dome (which PGi would fix like they do with the magic polygon no doubt) I'm hard pressed to see where that's a superior hitbox.

Clearly your rubbing my rhubarb...

Yup. Because what your frontal shot doesn't show is how the arms almost completely block the STs from side shots, which the much skinnier arms on the CGL version would not. The CT becomes more vulnerable since the majority of the huge dome is CT.

The current battlemaster is not only durable as heck but is a legitimately XL viable assault. The pretty pretty you are fixating on, very much is not.

[DaZur]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 January 2016 - 10:34 PM, said:

The current battlemaster is not only durable as heck but is a legitimately XL viable assault. The pretty pretty you are fixating on, very much is not.

I'm just not seeing it... I guess there's a reason I'm tier 3/4 fodder... I mean aside from enjoying the self flagellation of running non-meta vetted mechs.

[Wintersdark]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 January 2016 - 10:34 PM, said:

Yup. Because what your frontal shot doesn't show is how the arms almost completely block the STs from side shots, which the much skinnier arms on the CGL version would not. The CT becomes more vulnerable since the majority of the huge dome is CT.

The current battlemaster is not only durable as heck but is a legitimately XL viable assault. The pretty pretty you are fixating on, very much is not.

The effect of that some can be seen very clearly in the current MWO Atlas. It's head is smaller and protrudes less, but it is the easy way to hold your fire on a twisting AS7's CT.

The artwork's dome would absolutely be CT. Maybe not headshot death, but it'd be ridiculously easy to tear out the CT, even from 90 degrees to a side.

[Bishop Steiner]

DaZur, on 31 January 2016 - 10:38 PM, said:

I'm just not seeing it... I guess there's a reason I'm tier 3/4 fodder... I mean aside from enjoying the self flagellation of running non-meta vetted mechs.

you're talking to a HBK-4G/CN9-D jock who runs Warhammers with PPCs in the arms. Plenty of masochistic tendencies confirmed. But also a realist who understands the game well, despite regularly thumbing my nose at it.

I figure it I can finish my climb to the top of Mt Tryhard using Bad Robots and ignoring Meta... what does that say about those that HAD to run it to get there?

[Johnny Z]

I don't have a Battlemaster but its one of the least impressive mechs I have to say. Very flat. The Awesome is flat to but actually looks awesome. I think the Wolverine is way to thick and needs a bit of work to. The Shadow Hawk way to tall..... For the original Unseen added to MechWarrior Online, it would be nice if they got looked at a bit.

I really do think they were added early in the games development and now that the game is more mature they may get looked at again. This of course is going off the comments made about rescaling in general.

The left shoulder of the Orion always bothered me to. To pointy.

[MauttyKoray]

Mavairo, on 31 January 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

I wouldn't call the BLR a winner exactly either you know. Sucking less than the AWS, is kind of a dubious honor, which is kind of where the BLR is. I like my BLRs, because I like the mech, like most of the phoenix mechs.

Also the Dragon is supposed to get a redesign as well.
I just think if PGI is going to be giving Harmony Gold the finger they should do it, right proper.

Its getting a rescale, not a redesign. They're 2 completely different things.

[Johnny Z]

MauttyKoray, on 31 January 2016 - 10:52 PM, said:

Its getting a rescale, not a redesign. They're 2 completely different things.

Its my understanding the Catapult is getting more than just a rescale but actually some upgrading of graphics. It could be that other mechs get such treatment.

[DaZur]

Bishop Steiner, on 31 January 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

I figure it I can finish my climb to the top of Mt Tryhard using Bad Robots and ignoring Meta... what does that say about those that HAD to run it to get there?

A lot.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Twinkleblade, on 31 January 2016 - 05:46 PM, said:

Just for your information the battlemaster is from Fang of the Sun : Dougram not macross.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

Yep. All the Phoenix release mechs are from Dougram (Battlemaster, Thunderbolt, Griffin, Wolverine and Shadow Hawk (which is in fact the titular Dougram in question)) except the Locust which is from Crusher Joe. The two original 3025 TRO quads (Scorpion and Goliath) were also from Dougram, but we won't be seeing those any time soon because they're quads.

[DivineEvil]

No, thank you. I love the Battlemaster as it is now. If it had better designed weapon models, such as smaller launchers for smaller missile weapons and better grouped arm ballistics, it would be juuuust perfect.

Edited by DivineEvil, 01 February 2016 - 01:53 AM.

[KinLuu]

I prefer MWOs version of the Battlemaster. It looks far less like a toy and far more like a machine of war.

[VirtualSmitty]

Mavairo, on 31 January 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

One inspired more by this perhaps?

Ours looks....chunky...and still has Weeny sized PPCs after all. At least on THIS version they look more fit with the lines of the mech...

Of all the CGL mechs that have been reworked this is by far my favorite. They did the beemer justice, i'd kill to have this in MWO, bad hit boxes and all.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Our BattleMaster looks like crap, sorry.

A completely redone model would be awesome.

[Doman Hugin]

I would love the Battlemaster to have it's signature bubble cockpit, it's current looks just don't say Battlemaster to me.

That aside the BLR's are great mech's

Jump in the 1S for some 4x LRM5 with 3x LLas for peek and poke and Lurm fun.

Or the 1G for 3x LPL 4x ML Laser Vomit, Fit cooldown mod for LPL and range mod for ML and the two weapons sync very close together for alpha after alpha killing.

Of coarse you need to stuff a huge XL engine in both to get the best out of them.

The BLR-1G(P) is my goto C-Bill earner, low wait times as an assault and 30% bonus.