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[Mole]

Hey guys. Did a quick search on this and the only discussions I saw about the Jenner being overpowered and needing a nerf were years old. So lately I've been seeing a lot of people in solo queue saying things like "Can't wait until the Jenner gets nerfed". I saw one person say it just a few minutes ago, actually, and I asked him "What's wrong with the Jenner?" but he did not answer. He did not specify whether he was talking about the IS Jenner or the Clan Jenner IIC. Either way though, I don't feel very threatened by Jenners. I'm easily more afraid of the Arctic Cheetah, even after the clan heat sink nerfs, than I am of an IS Jenner or a Clan Jenner. The Jenners are just so much easier to hit and kill that it's usually pretty easy to inflict enough pain on one that it is forced to disengage and leave you alone. My personal experience aside, I have seen enough of this kind of talk in-game that I thought it would be worth coming over here and seeing what the folks on the forums think about the current state of the Jenner and the Jenner IIC. I feel like they are both good mechs, but I don't for a second feel either one of them is overpowered or otherwise broken.

[Bilbo]

The only complaint I've ever heard about a Jenner is that it is too fragile. If they are complaining it is OP, I imagine they are talking about the IIc. Though I haven't seen a problem with it, it can pack quite a punch.

[Mole]

Bilbo, on 01 February 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

The only complaint I've ever heard about a Jenner is that it is too fragile. If they are complaining it is OP, I imagine they are talking about the IIc. Though I haven't seen a problem with it, it can pack quite a punch.

I've not seen a problem with the IIC either. Sure it can pack an alpha strike potential of up to 42 damage, but so can the Arctic Cheetah and the ACH is so much more difficult to kill and around the same speed as well. I don't know why I've been seeing people complain about it.

[Wolfways]

Everything is OP to some players and UP to others.
I personally don't see the Jenner as any more OP than other lights (not including the slow clan lights).

[Troutmonkey]

Regular Jenners are pretty rare these days, that said, lights in general are uncommon.

The Oxide is still a beast, and the IIC O variant is probably a little bit stronger. That said, neither are OP and are easily dealt with outside of their measly 300m ranges.

I think my Jenner-D needs some love.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

If they are talking about any of the Jenners, it is probably the Oxide, which is possibly in need of a slight nerf, needs a bit more science to be sure. I can say for sure that the Oxide is strong right now, really strong.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 01 February 2016 - 03:32 PM.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

Mole, on 01 February 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

I've not seen a problem with the IIC either. Sure it can pack an alpha strike potential of up to 42 damage, but so can the Arctic Cheetah and the ACH is so much more difficult to kill and around the same speed as well. I don't know why I've been seeing people complain about it.

JR7-IIC can pack an alpha of 72 if it chooses to boat 6xSRM6. It's just that the JR7-IIC is still, by and large, a giant CT on legs.

Regular JR7? Still a giant CT on legs.

Haters gonna hate, man. They hate my KFX if I'm on their team (because a KFX isn't meta), and they hate my KFX if they get killed by SRM spam (how can a light have an alpha of a heavy?! More spacebucks must mean I am more powerful!) Fact still stands that the Jenner is fragile as heck, and that in itself is enough of a balancing factor against the Jenners. No real reason why it should cop so much hate, unlike the dreaded ACH and FS9. Just run it and revel in their salty tears of rage.

Edited by Fox With A Shotgun, 01 February 2016 - 03:37 PM.

[InspectorG]

IS op lights were an easy choice over a year ago: FS or Jenner. You like humanoid mech or a smoother moving mech?

Now, in the day of 50+ alphas, you dont pick Jenner.

Jenners, like Cicadas, are bullet catchers. CT and Legs, all you is.

Plus factor in quirks, FS got nice ones, Jenner was ignored...except the Oxide. Jenner llc are the most glassy of cannons.

Structure and E-heat is about all they need. But like the Summoner: Ignored.

[Mole]

Fox With A Shotgun, on 01 February 2016 - 03:33 PM, said:

JR7-IIC can pack an alpha of 72 if it chooses to boat 6xSRM6. It's just that the JR7-IIC is still, by and large, a giant CT on legs.

Regular JR7? Still a giant CT on legs.

Haters gonna hate, man. They hate my KFX if I'm on their team (because a KFX isn't meta), and they hate my KFX if they get killed by SRM spam (how can a light have an alpha of a heavy?! More spacebucks must mean I am more powerful!) Fact still stands that the Jenner is fragile as heck, and that in itself is enough of a balancing factor against the Jenners. No real reason why it should cop so much hate, unlike the dreaded ACH and FS9. Just run it and revel in their salty tears of rage.

I didn't think the Jenner IIC had the tonnage to boat 6 SRM6 and still be fast or heat efficient. Does it? And regarding the latter part of your post, I love my Kit Fox as well. I run mine with 4 medium pulse lasers and 2 machine guns. I love all my lights, really. Never met a light mech chassis that didn't have a variant I could do well in.

[Moldur]

IIC jenner missile boats have pretty huge alphas if they can peek you up close or sneak up on you, but they have no ammo (or armor, depending on the exact loadout) and outside of their range, can't do much. Yeah, they're nasty if they get to you, but that is not often enough to warrant complaint imo.

[Fox With A Shotgun]

Mole, on 01 February 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

I didn't think the Jenner IIC had the tonnage to boat 6 SRM6 and still be fast or heat efficient. Does it? And regarding the latter part of your post, I love my Kit Fox as well. I run mine with 4 medium pulse lasers and 2 machine guns. I love all my lights, really. Never met a light mech chassis that didn't have a variant I could do well in.

You won't be moving as fast as an IS laser boating jenner, but it is possible. I still don't think it's terribly efficient, because of ghost heat on alphas and massive spread. 6x SRM4, however, is a much, much better option.
JR7-IIC 6x SRM4
JR7-IIC 6x SRM6 / 600 ammo

Edited by Fox With A Shotgun, 01 February 2016 - 03:48 PM.

[adamts01]

Mole, on 01 February 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

I didn't think the Jenner IIC had the tonnage to boat 6 SRM6 and still be fast or heat efficient. Does it? And regarding the latter part of your post, I love my Kit Fox as well. I run mine with 4 medium pulse lasers and 2 machine guns. I love all my lights, really. Never met a light mech chassis that didn't have a variant I could do well in.

It's hot, but what big alpha clan mech isn't? You can run 140, no jump jets and (I think) bring 6 tons of ammo. Follow assaults around and clean up. The 4xsrm4 is much more versatile, it's what the IS Oxide always wanted to be.

[LordNothing]

jenner seems pretty decent. i remember it was a fast leveler. but i wouldn't call it level cheeto.

[Soldier91]

I thought they went on sale a while ago because they were under rated.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Mole, on 01 February 2016 - 03:02 PM, said:

Hey guys. Did a quick search on this and the only discussions I saw about the Jenner being overpowered and needing a nerf were years old. So lately I've been seeing a lot of people in solo queue saying things like "Can't wait until the Jenner gets nerfed". I saw one person say it just a few minutes ago, actually, and I asked him "What's wrong with the Jenner?" but he did not answer. He did not specify whether he was talking about the IS Jenner or the Clan Jenner IIC. Either way though, I don't feel very threatened by Jenners. I'm easily more afraid of the Arctic Cheetah, even after the clan heat sink nerfs, than I am of an IS Jenner or a Clan Jenner. The Jenners are just so much easier to hit and kill that it's usually pretty easy to inflict enough pain on one that it is forced to disengage and leave you alone. My personal experience aside, I have seen enough of this kind of talk in-game that I thought it would be worth coming over here and seeing what the folks on the forums think about the current state of the Jenner and the Jenner IIC. I feel like they are both good mechs, but I don't for a second feel either one of them is overpowered or otherwise broken.

6SRM6 Jenner IIC, 140kph, 800 damage worth of ammo, 72 damage alpha, it can alpha twice before risking a shutdown, and it pumps out 144 damage in less than 5 seconds. It is an assassin mech that can easily 1 or 2 shot every heavy and assault in mwo from behind. It can 1 shot every single medium. Lights... well SRM hit reg is pretty awful against humanoid lights, but I can 1 Shot a raven, kit fox, adder, or jenner.

It's a glass cannon though. If you see me, I'm screwed. It can't do extended engagements, it doesn't deal well with cheetos and fire starters, but I'll be damned if I'm not getting between 2 and 3 solo kills each match.

[Thell]

The Oxide is the op jenner because of the quirks.

[Darian DelFord]

Thell, on 01 February 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:

The Oxide is the op jenner because of the quirks.

The OXIDE is where the other Jenners should be. Put the Structure quirks on the other IS Jenners and they will at least be competitive again. Right now the OXIDE is the only Jenner that can take a hit and not be completely knocked out of the fight.

Anyone who says the Jenners are OP had no situation awareness as they were firing their LRM 45 from their atlas and a Jenner hosed them from behind since they were not watching their screen and to concerned about LRM'ing.

Edited by Darian DelFord, 01 February 2016 - 09:49 PM.

[ShadowFire]

Jenners being the first lights were basically obsoleted by the mech module reductions and the Fire Starters getting premium quirks even though they are the far better chassis. (And let not even look at the Clans ACs with ECM and high weapon mounts) Yes, Jenners are fast, yes the Jenners are small but their poor hit boxes are deadly to their health.

As for the SRM boats, Oxide and Jenner IIC, they can pack a punch but they have really thin armor for the in-your-face brawling they have to do with 270m weapons. Also they really don't have the carry weight for many reloads or the Artemis missile guidance systems so their SRM patterns are not very tight. Finally, not having a single energy weapon slot to fall back on, no more reloads is a mission kill for an all missile mech.

[Thell]

Darian DelFord, on 01 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

The OXIDE is where the other Jenners should be. Put the Structure quirks on the other IS Jenners and they will at least be competitive again. Right now the OXIDE is the only Jenner that can take a hit and not be completely knocked out of the fight.

Anyone who says the Jenners are OP had no situation awareness as they were firing their LRM 45 from their atlas and a Jenner hosed them from behind since they were not watching their screen and to concerned about LRM'ing.

Sigh. I'll phrase this a different way: the Oxide is extremely strong because of its damage output with SRMs due to the SRM quirks. And nice try with the LRM jab, I don't use that brain damage crap.

Edited by Thell, 01 February 2016 - 08:07 PM.

[Darian DelFord]

Thell, on 01 February 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

Sigh. I'll phrase this a different way: the Oxide is extremely strong because of its damage output with SRMs due to the SRM quirks. And nice try with the LRM jab, I don't use that brain damage crap.

LOL oh I was not jabbing at you, I was jabbing at all the assault pilots who call Jenners OP. Its usually the LRM'ing assaults that complain the loudest I have noticed.