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[Felicitatem Parco]

So, the toppish Tier Clan Mechs are getting buffed (unnerfed). So, that must mean the Timberwolf is now balanced to the Orion, and the Stormcrow is on par with the Shadowhawk.

Right?

Are these Mechs balanced now?

[Bilbo]

Can't speak to the Shadowhawk because I've never played it. The Orion, however, is not even close.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Bilbo, on 01 February 2016 - 04:24 PM, said:

Can't speak to the Shadowhawk because I've never played it. The Orion, however, is not even close.

But they are both 75 ton Mechs in a 12v12 game with nearly identical DropDeck sizes. They have to be balanced to within the DropDeck weight disparity %age...

Right?

Edited by Prosperity Park, 01 February 2016 - 04:26 PM.

[Vxheous]

Prosperity Park, on 01 February 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

But they are both 75 ton Mechs in a 12v12 game with nearly identical DropDeck sizes. They have to be balanced to within the DropDeck weight disparity %age...

Right?

Before you compare the Timberwolf to the Orion, why don't you compare the Orion to the Marauder or the Black Knight first? I mean, they're all 75 Ton IS mechs, so they should be equal right ?

[Bilbo]

You would think so, but I've pretty much given up on trying to decipher their overall balancing logic. I just pretend someone, better than me, can take on a Timberwolf with an Orion and win five out of ten times. Then I drink another beer and play another game in my Atlas.

[Hit the Deck]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 01 February 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Before you compare the Timberwolf to the Orion, why don't you compare the Orion to the Marauder or the Black Knight first? I mean, they're all 75 Ton IS mechs, so they should be equal right ?

Yes, equal tonnage doesn't mean equal capability.

[Bonger Bob]

lol, issues with the balance changes incoming ??? there's something new.....someone seems butthurt over clans again....

Only played the clan mechs for the examples you've sighted, so its hard to compare.

I do play the Timberwolf heaps, and currently it does feel right (for a heavy anyways ), not sure how its going to be with the removal of the minimal negative quirks it has until it happens, and i'll have to take into account the weapon changes that may also occur.

lets wait and see, because we know threads like this are never received well by the players or PGI...

[Mystere]

Do I detect a hint of rage in there?

[Felicitatem Parco]

Mystere, on 01 February 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

Do I detect a hint of rage in there?

When the Clans launched, Russ said on Twitter that the TWolf is designed to outperform the Orion.

I thought maybe that notion should pass away...

No, I am not comparing ALL Sphere Mechs to Clan Mechs. Just the ones in my OP.

[Alan Davion]

Mystere, on 01 February 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

Do I detect a hint of rage in there?

I don't think that's the case.

I think it's more "We all know they aren't balanced. Won't be balanced for a long time. We just need to keep this as a topic of discussion to make sure PGI does their best to get everything as balanced as they can." kind of thing.

[pbiggz]

Prosperity Park, on 01 February 2016 - 04:21 PM, said:

So, the toppish Tier Clan Mechs are getting buffed (unnerfed). So, that must mean the Timberwolf is now balanced to the Orion, and the Stormcrow is on par with the Shadowhawk.

Right?

Are these Mechs balanced now?

With structure quirks its alot damned closer now.

Also if we had the rest of IS tech 2 then yes we'd be pretty damned close to IS vs Clan balanced.

[Bilbo]

Prosperity Park, on 01 February 2016 - 04:39 PM, said:

When the Clans launched, Russ said on Twitter that the TWolf is designed to outperform the Orion.

I thought maybe that notion should pass away...

No, I am not comparing ALL Sphere Mechs to Clan Mechs. Just the ones in my OP.

It certainly does that. The question, though, is whether it outperforms every mech in it's class and if so, how can an IS dropdeck match a Clan deck with one or more in it.

[Hit the Deck]

Bilbo, on 01 February 2016 - 04:44 PM, said:

It certainly does that. The question, though, is whether it outperforms every mech in it's class and if so, how can an IS dropdeck match a Clan deck with one or more in it.

With OP energy range quirks (unfortunately they want to limit it) and laser mounts as high as possible.

[Surn]

So, clanners say the timberwolf is balanced vs the marauder or blackknight....unbelievable.

[pbiggz]

MechregSurn, on 01 February 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

So, clanners say the timberwolf is balanced vs the marauder or blackknight....unbelievable.

Against a marauder? Absolutely its balanced. The marauder tanks better than the timberwolf and carrys a ton of firepower to boot. What are you taking on your marauders?

[Aiden Skye]

Blackjack =\= Shadowcat.

[Bilbo]

Hit the Deck, on 01 February 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

With OP energy range quirks (unfortunately they want to limit it) and laser mounts as high as possible.

Laser mounts as high as possible? How high is acceptable since there won't be a range advantage for either side and the speed advantage will always be on the Timber's side without great loss of durability on for the IS.

[Hit the Deck]

W A R K H A N, on 01 February 2016 - 04:57 PM, said:

Blackjack =\= Shadowcat.

Atlas =/= King Crab

[Hit the Deck]

Bilbo, on 01 February 2016 - 04:58 PM, said:

Laser mounts as high as possible? How high is acceptable since there won't be a range advantage for either side and the speed advantage will always be on the Timber's side without great loss of durability on for the IS.

Should be at cockpit level and not more. Speed or durability should not be really matter when there is an open plain between your team and the enemy's.

[Bilbo]

Hit the Deck, on 01 February 2016 - 05:02 PM, said:

Should be at cockpit level and not more. Speed or durability should not be really matter when there is an open plain between your team and the enemy's.

Since when did the ability to reposition/maneuver, even in a ranged engagement, become a non-issue?