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[Mystere]

Suko, on 02 February 2016 - 04:23 PM, said:

I still think it's just stupid. When my team stomps the other, I usually say "I'm sorry", "Thanks for the match, even if it was a stomp" or better yet, I say nothing at all and leave them to deal with it in whatever way they want.

Sorry? That's even more stupid.

[Suko]

Mystere, on 02 February 2016 - 04:28 PM, said:

Sorry? That's even more stupid Sincere.

[Queen of England]

Suko, on 02 February 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

You're sincerely sorry that you won?

[Mystere]

Suko, on 02 February 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

Sorry? That's even more stupid Sincere.

Nope.

[Suko]

Queen of England, on 02 February 2016 - 04:33 PM, said:

You're sincerely sorry that you won?

I'm sorry that the game has to suck so bad for them that match. I don't know about you, but I MUCH prefer a close game where it comes down to the last handful of beaten and battered mechs vs the games where the 12 red team mechs are hunting for our last disconnected atlas.

Seriously, get over yourselves and just admit that you could take an extra ounce of effort to show empathy when you go seal clubbing. Those aren't bots on red team (though sometimes you have to wonder), they're other people. I try to acknowledge that by being genuine about my end of match messages (if I leave any at all).

Mystere, on 02 February 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Nope.

Well sh*t. You're logic is infallible. I guess I'm done.

Edited by Suko, 02 February 2016 - 04:38 PM.

[Mystere]

Mystere, on 02 February 2016 - 04:28 PM, said:

Sorry? That's even more stupid.

Suko, on 02 February 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

Sorry? That's even more stupid Sincere.

Mystere, on 02 February 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Nope.

Suko, on 02 February 2016 - 04:38 PM, said:

Well sh*t. You're logic is infallible. I guess I'm done.

I'll gladly translate it for you then: My bull**** meter went off the charts.

Is that clear enough for you?

Edited by Mystere, 02 February 2016 - 04:47 PM.

[1453 R]

Unfortunately this issue is one that can't really be resolved. Most of the older folks, who grew up doing after-school sports and other Outdoors Things and who largely invented 'GG' will see it as an e-handshake and a sign of Good Sportsmanship™ from now until the end of time, and they will defend it as such because that is how they mean it when they use it.

The problem is that younger gamers have utterly corrupted the expression, to the point where many new players in other games have never actually seen it used in its original, non-scornful sense. To them, the expression 'GG' is an insult, can never be anything but an insult, and in fact some of them are surprised if/when they learn that there are folks out there - few and far between in most games, but they're out there - who use the term and actually mean it.

MWO, with its older-than-normal playerbase, has more actually-mean-it types than, say, League of F***wads...but both sides need to understand that it's impossible to convince the other that their own position is right, because both the sincere and toxic use of 'GG' are equally widespread in this game.

Yeah yeah, I get it - put your man pants on and quit taking offense at things, all that other la-dee-da that Good Sportsmen™ spew on this subject every time it comes up. Here's the thing...part of being a good sportsman is recognizing when what you're doing is just p!ssing other people off for no reason. I get that it makes you feel better to 'GG' at the end of a 12/2, but if it makes you feel better at the expense of your opponents...well, a lot of folks call that sore winning.

It really is best overall to just 'GG' your own team, and leave the public channel silent. This isn't the same situation as a post-game handshake, where it's impossible for the people you just got done mauling to misinterpret your gesture. Dignified silence, on the other hand, can't really ruin someone's night any more than it's already been ruined, eh?

[Naduk]

i always say GG
could of been my worst game in history
its still a GG

you are not saying "i had a great time, thanks for losing"
saying GG is a nod of respect to your opponents
if they had not bothered to show up and play, you would of not had the game at all

every sporting environment i have ever been in has followed the same code
before the game you greet your opponent
at the end of the game you shake your opponents hand and display respect for their skill/time/effort or just being there to play
obviously nobody wants to stand there being awkward for 10mins doing that, so its been shortened through out the years to today's current "good game" "well played" "thanks for the match" type comments

the online gaming community continued the traditions of real life competitive players
you dont enter a chess tournament and then go bad mouth your opponent and flip the board when he defeats you in 3 moves
that might fly in your lounge room with mates and beer, but not in any environment with even a shred of competitiveness to it

i have been playing online games since quake servers were found by searching the internet for IP addresses published to message boards or random websites, before google existed ....awww sheeet im old

GG flowed from keyboards of all players
it was not a troll or nasty remark aimed at the people you just crushed
it was a giant , thanks for playing , this online thing is awesome

every other game players did the same since
then in the starcraft 1 days it was set in concrete via their tournaments
you say good luck and have fun at the beginning , you say good game or well played at the end

naturally , your very busy trying to make sure your opponent has the worst game of his/her life
so it gets shortened to GL HF and GG WP

if you play this game and get utterly trashed , chances are the enemy straight up out played you
there was no giant conspiracy by the match mater to frak you over
no special code to make sure you lose X amount of matches so you buy mythical uber mechs
nope

they just played better than you, so acknowledge your opponents skill, time and effort
they did after all just give you a match and deserve your respect as a fellow player

with out your fellow players, you would have to go do something else

[1453 R]

...case in point.

[Mystere]

1453 R, on 02 February 2016 - 05:26 PM, said:

Unfortunately this issue is one that can't really be resolved. Most of the older folks, who grew up doing after-school sports and other Outdoors Things and who largely invented 'GG' will see it as an e-handshake and a sign of Good Sportsmanship™ from now until the end of time, and they will defend it as such because that is how they mean it when they use it.

The problem is that younger gamers have utterly corrupted the expression, to the point where many new players in other games have never actually seen it used in its original, non-scornful sense. To them, the expression 'GG' is an insult, can never be anything but an insult, and in fact some of them are surprised if/when they learn that there are folks out there - few and far between in most games, but they're out there - who use the term and actually mean it.

MWO, with its older-than-normal playerbase, has more actually-mean-it types than, say, League of F***wads...but both sides need to understand that it's impossible to convince the other that their own position is right, because both the sincere and toxic use of 'GG' are equally widespread in this game.

Yeah yeah, I get it - put your man pants on and quit taking offense at things, all that other la-dee-da that Good Sportsmen™ spew on this subject every time it comes up. Here's the thing...part of being a good sportsman is recognizing when what you're doing is just p!ssing other people off for no reason. I get that it makes you feel better to 'GG' at the end of a 12/2, but if it makes you feel better at the expense of your opponents...well, a lot of folks call that sore winning.

It really is best overall to just 'GG' your own team, and leave the public channel silent. This isn't the same situation as a post-game handshake, where it's impossible for the people you just got done mauling to misinterpret your gesture. Dignified silence, on the other hand, can't really ruin someone's night any more than it's already been ruined, eh?

Mystere, on 02 February 2016 - 06:44 AM, said:

You don't have to change just because some self-entitled lifelong participation trophy **** got his feelings hurt.

Mystere, on 02 February 2016 - 07:37 AM, said:

I'm just so tired of political correctness and such things. Carried to the bitter end, no one will be allowed to open their mouth lest they offend someone.

[Naduk]

1453 R, on 02 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

...case in point.

no i refuse to sit in silence

i will be and play as a part of the community i want to be in
i say GG at the end of a match , even a 12-0 because i thank you for your time in fighting me

anything else and we will descend in the realms of madness like DOTA and its children

[xTrident]

Suko, on 02 February 2016 - 04:38 PM, said:

I'm sorry that the game has to suck so bad for them that match. I don't know about you, but I MUCH prefer a close game where it comes down to the last handful of beaten and battered mechs vs the games where the 12 red team mechs are hunting for our last disconnected atlas.

Seriously, get over yourselves and just admit that you could take an extra ounce of effort to show empathy when you go seal clubbing. Those aren't bots on red team (though sometimes you have to wonder), they're other people. I try to acknowledge that by being genuine about my end of match messages (if I leave any at all).


Well sh*t. You're logic is infallible. I guess I'm done.

I'd say I'm with you. I won't take someone saying GG to heart but you're right with what you said when someone on the opposing team says it after a stomp. I think the exact same thing.

Personally I handle stomping the other team the way I'd want it done to me. Either not saying a damn thing and letting it be since an *** kicking is no secret, or I'll sympathize with the opposing team and in so many words say better luck next time. Usually I don't say anything.

[1453 R]

No one will ever expect you to stop insulting people, Mystere. I mean, how would we know it's still you if you weren't aiming to p!ss as many people off as you possibly could?

Anyways. Yes, I know Ye Olde Goode Sportsmen™ will 'GG' no matter what, "because that's the right thing to do and doing it makes me a better person". A'ight, coo'. Stick to your guns. You can call it taking a stand and sticking to your principles, you can call it being a stubborn f*** who refuses to change with the times. Either way works. I've given up caring about it. I mostly just assume that any all-chat 'GG' at the end of a game is intended as a venomous stab at the GGer's opponents and ignore it. Frankly, by this point I don't even really see it anymore. Just screen clutter.

Either way, it's not something you're going to solve with a forum thread. I've tried. It doesn't go well.

[Mystere]

1453 R, on 02 February 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

No one will ever expect you to stop insulting people, Mystere. I mean, how would we know it's still you if you weren't aiming to p!ss as many people off as you possibly could?

Anyways. Yes, I know Ye Olde Goode Sportsmen™ will 'GG' no matter what, "because that's the right thing to do and doing it makes me a better person". A'ight, coo'. Stick to your guns. You can call it taking a stand and sticking to your principles, you can call it being a stubborn f*** who refuses to change with the times. Either way works. I've given up caring about it. I mostly just assume that any all-chat 'GG' at the end of a game is intended as a venomous stab at the GGer's opponents and ignore it. Frankly, by this point I don't even really see it anymore. Just screen clutter.

That's your problem, not mine. IRL, I have a great track record on when to stick to tradition and when not to. Here? Who cares?

1453 R, on 02 February 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

Either way, it's not something you're going to solve with a forum thread. I've tried. It doesn't go well.

You give up too easily.

Edited by Mystere, 02 February 2016 - 07:15 PM.

[Crockdaddy]

Could be us "older" folks whom largely started this whole gaming thing have some clue how to treat each other? Don't worry ... as you get older and mature a bit the rest of you will eventually get it (not all of you of course but most will). Til then gg ... good game. Mega hugs and thanks for the match! (might try the last one and see if it works)

[Carcass23]

The self entitlement is so thick you can cut it with a knife. This is like the kid crying after two baseball teams shake hands that some of the other team players slapped them five sarcastically. The defenders of this gripe who claim they never gg and always write a novella, thanking the opposing team for the match or apologizing for roflstomping them are even worse than the whining OP who admitted he helped to assure his team a loss due to trying out his lackluster builds.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies -- See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!

Grow a spine. This is what the urban dictionary has to say about gg.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GG

Edited by Carcass23, 03 February 2016 - 03:58 AM.

[Bilbo]

AssaultPig, on 02 February 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

it's funny to me that the people who're all about playing sports/competing/whatever and into complaining about 'the kids today' appear to have topped out a t-ball or peewee soccer or something

playing with actual adults there's lots of times that everybody doesn't shake hands at the end of a game; not because of any malicious intent but because you're in a hurry to hit the shower and go home and make dinner or whatever, or because you're clearing the court for the next five. Sometimes you just walk off and go your separate ways.

I didn't say everyone needs or wants to shake hands. I said it is always appropriate.

[Sandpit]

Accused, on 02 February 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

If you have the brain cells to figure out what "gg" stands for then you have the brain cells to figure out it's a sportsmanlike handshake.

good point, too bad most of the ones "complaining" don't seem to fall into the first half of your example since they don't seem to understand the mentality behind saying "GG"

We have this thread pop up periodically on the forums. It's good for learning the character of other players. Other than that, it's good for a few chuckles listening to people try to defend the whole "Ban GG" stuff.

just further proof that people quite literally will complain about any and everything

Crockdaddy, on 02 February 2016 - 08:33 PM, said:

Could be us "older" folks whom largely started this whole gaming thing have some clue how to treat each other? Don't worry ... as you get older and mature a bit the rest of you will eventually get it (not all of you of course but most will). Til then gg ... good game. Mega hugs and thanks for the match! (might try the last one and see if it works)

If you do, the PC of the world will then talk about "inappropriate" touching I'm sure.

[Khereg]

Team Chevy86, on 02 February 2016 - 02:31 AM, said:

12-1 steam roll is not a 'Good game'.

This has been rehashed a couple of times. The gg is generally intended as the handshake at the end of the match, nothing more.

[Mead]

I may adopt 'gg clothes', probably best to type it at the beginning of the match for greater confusion effect