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[Khosumi]

When will clan be able to use those?

[Generic Internetter]

Well they are canon to BattleTech and already available in the current timeline.
http://www.sarna.net...-Missile_System

Important side-note:
Your screenshot is from MW4 where we played as House Davion, so these should be available for Inner Sphere too.

Edited by Generic Internetter, 31 January 2016 - 01:31 PM.

[Void Angel]

Because what the Clans need is more heat generation. =)

[Generic Internetter]

Void Angel, on 31 January 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:

Because what the Clans need is more heat generation. =)

What a pointless and unproductive comment.

That's just a matter of your personal taste. Maybe I want to save a ton on ammo by sacrificing heat control.
It's a trade-off. All mechlab tradeoff options like this are a good thing, as long as PGI balances them.

[Khosumi]

Generic Internetter, on 31 January 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

Well they are canon to BattleTech and already available in the current timeline.
http://www.sarna.net...-Missile_System

Important side-note:
Your screenshot is from MW4 where we played as House Davion, so these should be available for Inner Sphere too.

I would be okay with IS being able to use the LAMS as long as they are balanced with the Tabletop values of 5 heat points for Clan, 7 for Inner Sphere. And don't give IS some LAMS quirk, that'd be way cheap.

Edited by Ethak, 31 January 2016 - 01:49 PM.

[Void Angel]

Generic Internetter, on 31 January 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

What a pointless and unproductive comment.

That's just a matter of your personal taste. Maybe I want to save a ton on ammo by sacrificing heat control.
It's a trade-off. All mechlab tradeoff options like this are a good thing, as long as PGI balances them.

No need to get all rectally injured - sometimes people put smilies in their posts to indicate they're teasing you.

Edit: Sarna references sourcbooks released after I stopped buying books; originally, the LAMS was released in the Tactical Handbook in 1994, and listed the LAMS as Level 3 Rules for 3055 - and only for the Inner Sphere at that time.

Edited by Void Angel, 31 January 2016 - 02:48 PM.

[Khosumi]

Void Angel, on 31 January 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

No need to get all rectally injured - sometimes people put smilies in their posts to indicate they're teasing you.

Edit: Sarna references sourcbooks released after I stopped buying books; originally, the LAMS was released in the Tactical Handbook in 1994, and listed the LAMS as Level 3 Rules for 3055 - and only for the Inner Sphere at that time.

Researched first by Clan Wolf in 3045, (in production by 3048) . MWO takes place at least in 3049. So yes, they are available.

Edited by Ethak, 31 January 2016 - 02:57 PM.

[Void Angel]

Read the edit. Don't just skim.

In any case, you're not saving any tonnage unless you're using multiple tons of ammunition - laser AMS systems for both Clans and Inner Sphere cost 1.5 tons.

Also, wanting the Clan version to be outright superior doesn't fit well with MWO design.

[Khosumi]

Void Angel, on 31 January 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

Also, wanting the Clan version to be outright superior doesn't fit well with MWO design.

Let me know when IS heavies aren't overquirked. kthxbai

[Night Thastus]

I'm going to keep requesting it until we get it.

They can even use the same hardpoint.

Really now. It's what, 3052? Edging on 3053?

We should have it by now. :/

Void Angel, on 31 January 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

Read the edit. Don't just skim.

In any case, you're not saving any tonnage unless you're using multiple tons of ammunition - laser AMS systems for both Clans and Inner Sphere cost 1.5 tons.

Also, wanting the Clan version to be outright superior doesn't fit well with MWO design.

Since when does LAMS have any kind of "lore" weight? AFAIK 1: Sarna doesn't list a weight and 2: It's a weaker small pulse laser.

At MOST it should weight 1 ton (same as SPL). I'd be fine with 0.5 tons, because while it doesn't use any ammunition, it generates heat. So instead of ammo, you'll be putting on heatsinks. (Which weight 1 ton each)

Edited by Night Thastus, 31 January 2016 - 04:38 PM.

[Khosumi]

Night Thastus, on 31 January 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

Since when does LAMS have any kind of "lore" weight? AFAIK 1: Sarna doesn't list a weight and 2: It's a weaker small pulse laser.

The screenshot reads the LAMS weighs 1.5 tons.

[Void Angel]

Night Thastus, on 31 January 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

I'm going to keep requesting it until we get it.

They can even use the same hardpoint.

Really now. It's what, 3052? Edging on 3053?

We should have it by now. :/



Since when does LAMS have any kind of "lore" weight? AFAIK 1: Sarna doesn't list a weight and 2: It's a weaker small pulse laser.

...Since its inception. I'm not quoting Sarna, bud. I'm reading the rulebooks - which is where all tonnage values for MWO have been derived, so it's not unreasonable to expect that practice to continue. Asking for a half-ton system is just greedy - the heat sinks you're using "instead" of ammo coincidentally work for your guns, too. It's not equivalent.

[redacted]

Edited by Odanan, 01 February 2016 - 04:19 AM.
Unconstructive/Flaming/Bashing

[Fox With A Shotgun]

My Kit Fox says yes. 3 normal AMS + 4 tons ammo = 5.5 tons of equipment, with limited ammunition. If I had LAMS, I could put on 3 LAMS + 1 heatsink = 5.5 tons of equipment, with some benefit to my other weapons if I don't need the LAMS active for some reason or another.

[Night Thastus]

Ethak, on 31 January 2016 - 04:54 PM, said:

The screenshot reads the LAMS weighs 1.5 tons.

The games in general have shifted away from the lore every chance they get. They can't be used as a baseline for anything when all their values are made up.

Void Angel, on 31 January 2016 - 05:32 PM, said:

...Since its inception. I'm not quoting Sarna, bud. I'm reading the rulebooks - which is where all tonnage values for MWO have been derived, so it's not unreasonable to expect that practice to continue. Asking for a half-ton system is just greedy - the heat sinks you're using "instead" of ammo coincidentally work for your guns, too. It's not equivalent.

[redacted]

I suppose it depends on how much heat they generate. If they generate only a small amount of heat, 1.5 tons might be fine. But if they generate a ton? Let's have it be 0.5

Frankly, 1 ton is fine. Regular AMS is 0.5 tons (same as the MG it's based on) and thus laser AMS should be 1 tons (same as the SPL it's based on).

It just depends on how they balance it, I guess. I hope it doesn't end up some pile of **** system that barely does more than regular AMS while generating a ton of heat and weighing 1.5 tons. That would completely negate the point of it existing in the first place. It's got to have *some* advantage and *some* tradeoff somewhere.

[Sean Freyason]

No you guys are missing a key point about LAMs, there is no heat management they auto fire so literally someone could start brawling with you in an IS mech and just fire their lrm 5 and boost your heat through the the roof shutting you down or causing you to overheat. The missiles can't even arm but the LAM would still target that for 5 heat having any heat associated with these is a drawback YOU CAN'TAKE MANAGE HEAT GENERATION so really you don'the need a significant weight. I would think really hard before putting any LAM on with heat. Note the 5 is the idea posted for a heat amount for each burst on a clan LAM earlier.

[ionzu]

OH OH OH ! It should be named CLAMS not LAMS (or c-lams), that's way more fun.

Sean Freyason, on 02 February 2016 - 03:59 AM, said:

No you guys are missing a key point about LAMs, there is no heat management they auto fire so literally someone could start brawling with you in an IS mech and just fire their lrm 5 and boost your heat through the the roof shutting you down or causing you to overheat. The missiles can't even arm but the LAM would still target that for 5 heat having any heat associated with these is a drawback YOU CAN'TAKE MANAGE HEAT GENERATION so really you don'the need a significant weight. I would think really hard before putting any LAM on with heat. Note the 5 is the idea posted for a heat amount for each burst on a clan LAM earlier.

You can actually shut down AMS or ECM now, so that comment is null, brutha'

[Sean Freyason]

Thanks d I didn't know you could turn it off.