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[Malachy Karrde]

Wintersdark, on 04 February 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

One vs. one, face to face, sure. Pushing 120pt alphas can tear through anything fast enough.

But the problem with the DWF is getting it into that position without having more agile mechs dance around you and cut you apart. This wasn't an issue before the agility nerfs, but now a DWF requires support and teamwork to be able to bring it's guns to bear effectively. It's not a bad mech, but it's one of very restricted usefulness these days. It's still very good at specific things, but it has huge, glaring vulnerabilities.

It's slow, and lights can be annoying, but you can mitigate both of those problems. The weapons you mount are part of it. Having some fast firing low heat weapons can deal with those pesky lights. Mediums and heavies can't circle you without allowing you one or 2 shots. 1 is usually enough to cripple either. Positioning is key. Always be near some place you can put your back to. Force them to come at you head on. And have some long range weapons to soften them up as they come at you. Never put all your eggs in one basket. My dire has 6 er small lasers, 2 lrm 20, 4 uac 5 and a ton of reloads for the uac, 720 lrms. Can fire all that 4 times before I overheat and the uac on continuous. My last match I had 5 kills, 6 kmdd, and over 1600 damage. I don't think a Kodiak will be able to mount that kind of firepower. And it's still an assault... which means it's not gonna have the acceleration to keep me from plastering it like any other assault.

[Wintersdark]

Dakota1000, on 04 February 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

If you want to bring 6 UAC5s and move around slow then get the Dire Wolf.

If you want to move around fast and bring alpha strikes just as high then get the Kodiak. If you want a 90kph 100 ton mech then elite the Spirit Bear and have a field day with MASC. If you want to be able to run circles around a quad UAC10 Dire Wolf while using quac UAC10s yourself then get a Kodiak.

Dire Wolf honestly needs some help, it probably won't get a buff though since there are still many mechs much worse than it, though its definitely not the best. All I ever see of those things when they are on the enemy team is how fast they get focused and how fast their CT goes down or how easily their ST breaks off.

Kodiak will definitely be better in almost all aspects.

Yup. It's why I shelved mine. Tear off a side torso at range (trivially easy, given how slow and cumbersome they are) and they're suddenly no real threat at all. You can just walk away from them if you don't want to fight them anymore.

[Clownwarlord]

No the Kodiak will not make the Direwolf irrelevant.

Lets put it into perspective ...

Atlas is to Kodiak as King Crab is to Dire Wolf. Let me give you examples.

The Atlas Boars Head will have lasers in the arms and big ballistic in one chest and one missile in another. Guess what Kodiak has similar weapon hard points as the Boars Head Atlas. Which at both being 100 tons makes them comparable.

Now the Dire Wolf on the other hand some use the Dual Gauss and Lasers. Guess What King Crab some use Dual Gauss and Lasers builds. Dire Wolf some use ultra dakka build of multiple UAC5s or such. As for King Crab people also use quad UAC5s and or other ballistics.

So Kodiak is to Atlas as Dire Wolf is to King Crab.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

clownwarlord, on 04 February 2016 - 09:26 PM, said:

No the Kodiak will not make the Direwolf irrelevant.

Lets put it into perspective ...

Atlas is to Kodiak as King Crab is to Dire Wolf. Let me give you examples.

The Atlas Boars Head will have lasers in the arms and big ballistic in one chest and one missile in another. Guess what Kodiak has similar weapon hard points as the Boars Head Atlas. Which at both being 100 tons makes them comparable.

Now the Dire Wolf on the other hand some use the Dual Gauss and Lasers. Guess What King Crab some use Dual Gauss and Lasers builds. Dire Wolf some use ultra dakka build of multiple UAC5s or such. As for King Crab people also use quad UAC5s and or other ballistics.

So Kodiak is to Atlas as Dire Wolf is to King Crab.

Except the Kodiak can run most of the builds a Dire Wolf can, and all of the most optimal ones while an Atlas can't run most of the builds King Crabs normally run.

[Cranial Enigma]

clownwarlord, on 04 February 2016 - 09:26 PM, said:

No the Kodiak will not make the Direwolf irrelevant.

Lets put it into perspective ...

Atlas is to Kodiak as King Crab is to Dire Wolf. Let me give you examples.

The Atlas Boars Head will have lasers in the arms and big ballistic in one chest and one missile in another. Guess what Kodiak has similar weapon hard points as the Boars Head Atlas. Which at both being 100 tons makes them comparable.

Now the Dire Wolf on the other hand some use the Dual Gauss and Lasers. Guess What King Crab some use Dual Gauss and Lasers builds. Dire Wolf some use ultra dakka build of multiple UAC5s or such. As for King Crab people also use quad UAC5s and or other ballistics.

So Kodiak is to Atlas as Dire Wolf is to King Crab.

I don't think you looked at the Kodiak-3. It has 4 ballistics in its torsos plus 4 energy in the arms, dropping the engine down to 375, maybe 350 depending on how far you want to go you can fit in 4 UAC10s with 4 ER-small lasers up to 4 medium pulses easily with plenty of ammo and moving faster then both a dire and king crab.

This variant can also easily run dual Gauss and either ppcs or large pulses, but the laser hardpoints will be low mounted unlike the king crab and dire. The kodiak can run most builds a dire can, excluding the 5+ ac builds and ridiculous builds like the direstar.

But you are correct that the kodiak is closer to the atlas in terms of most of its variants, the 3 variant is much closer to the dire however. The spirit bear is an exact copy of the atlas-S besides having a larger engine and masc.

[Elkfire]

The bear might end up outbrawling the wolf, but the wolf still has its strengths.