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Will The Kodiak Make The Direwolf Irrelevant? Discussion!


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#1 Andi Nagasia

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:36 PM

Will it?
Just as Much Lasers on one Variant,
Just as Much Dakka on another one,
One even has JJ to allow for that,
Full BattleMech Customizability,

and the Hero even has MASC,
So Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?

#2 Ted Wayz

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:38 PM

My concern is no viable play modes for the new mech so I will not see it until c-bills.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:40 PM

The Kodi has to give up tonnage if it wants to use its huge engine cap or MASC or JJs.

Its energy hardpoints might or might not be mounted lower than the Whale's arms. The Whale's head and side torsos will almost certainly remain higher than the Kodi's arms.

The Whale is apparently "oversized" (lol derp) according to Russ, which means the Whale might very well be smaller than the Kodi.

The Kodi's hardpoints will be more constricting in terms of builds and where you can stuff guns.


I'm not worried just yet.

I guess I could see the Kodi working better for ballistic boating due to high-mounted side torsos, and it can do missile boating because it has actual hardpoints for that, but for mixed energy + ballistic vomit I don't see much of an advantage over the Whale.

The Kodi beating the Whale at brawling is virtually guaranteed, but for mid to long range firing lines I think the Whale will continue to be relevant.

Edited by FupDup, 04 February 2016 - 06:50 PM.


#4 LegendaryArticuno

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:45 PM

So what if it's better than the Direwolf... why does the Direwolf always have to be best clan assault?

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:48 PM

View PostAndi Nagasia, on 04 February 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

Will it?
Just as Much Lasers on one Variant,
Just as Much Dakka on another one,
One even has JJ to allow for that,
Full BattleMech Customizability,

and the Hero even has MASC,
So Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?

The Direwolf has some options the Kodiak doesn't (moar ballistic dakka first and foremost, also in terms of pick-and-place hardpoints) but in all honesty, the Direwolf became irrelevant the moment the agility nerfs hit. It's huge, blocky, and ponderously slow.


The Kodiak will have somewhat lighter armaments, but with better geometry for spreading damage and most importantly larger engines (most frequently 350 and 375 rated engines) so it can actually move.

It's looking to be flat out better; but the point here is it's being flat out better than a poor chassis now. The Direwolf as it stands is a turret: one that can bring substantial firepower, but is simply too cumbersome.

View PostFupDup, on 04 February 2016 - 06:40 PM, said:

The Kodi beating the Whale at brawling is virtually guaranteed, but for mid to long range firing lines I think the Whale will continue to be relevant.


Basically, where being a turret is ok :)

#6 FupDup

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:49 PM

View PostLegendaryArticuno, on 04 February 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

So what if it's better than the Direwolf... why does the Direwolf always have to be best clan assault?

That's not the main issue at hand...the main concern I think is that the Whale was known as the best assault period up until the skillz tree indirectly nerfed it. Beating the Whale would mean that the Kodi's PowerLevel would be pretty dang high, possibly in the dreaded "power creep" territory. Basically, we don't need to push the PowerLevel baseline any higher than it stands now.

Disclaimer: I'm not actually claiming to believe that the Kodi will actually accomplish that role of pushing up the power bar, I'm just explaining the logic.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:55 PM

View PostFupDup, on 04 February 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

That's not the main issue at hand...the main concern I think is that the Whale was known as the best assault period up until the skillz tree indirectly nerfed it. Beating the Whale would mean that the Kodi's PowerLevel would be pretty dang high, possibly in the dreaded "power creep" territory. Basically, we don't need to push the PowerLevel baseline any higher than it stands now.

Disclaimer: I'm not actually claiming to believe that the Kodi will actually accomplish that role of pushing up the power bar, I'm just explaining the logic.
That may be the case, but its poor logic.

The Direwolf is nowhere near the best assault right now; not even in the neighborhood. Still the most firepower (and that won't change), but its actually kind of poor now, certainly behind several IS assaults - at least barring certain specific situations.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:58 PM

Atlas/King Crab/Stalker/Mauler/Battle Master are better and more versatile than the Direwolf. Not a big deal if the Kodiak replaces Direwolf as #1 clan assault


#9 Nauht

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM

Nah, due to the simple fact that if it's as good as it looks on paper PGI will "balance" it so that st the very least it'll be in line with other assaults.

So you can forget about theorycrafting about builds, hardpoints or whatnot. PGI will "balance" it somehow in other departments.


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Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM

View PostAndi Nagasia, on 04 February 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

Will it?
Just as Much Lasers on one Variant,
Just as Much Dakka on another one,
One even has JJ to allow for that,
Full BattleMech Customizability,

and the Hero even has MASC,
So Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?


Well it did out class the Dire Wolf in TT I often found, well on more restrictive maps anyways... And it was optimized better in TT.... So maybe?

#11 SgtMagor

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:07 PM

dunno, but the Daishi looks kewl, can load gobs of weapons, and even fly just like the Kody. Daishi was the original Land Pig oi! don't take away the Daishi's kewlness...

#12 Lord0fHats

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:16 PM

I think calling the Whale the best assault is a little biased. It's got firepower for sure, but it's got wretched hit boxes, no real torso twisting ability, low mounted weapons (and a low mounted cockpit), and it's slow as fether. In terms of firepower, yes it's the best. Easily the Stalker, Banshee, and Battlemaster imo are superior. They're faster (usually), with higher weapon mounts, hit boxes, and twisting ability. This especially shows n team play The Dire can do really well with proper team support, but that's the thing. Team support. Stalkers, Banshees, and Battlemasters don't need much to get work done. Further, the Dire's low speed is a crippling hindrance in CW.

So yeah. the Kodiak very well might obsolete the Dire as it currently stands. That also doesn't really matter to me. The Clans in CW at least, need a better assault mech. The Warhawk and Gargoyle can be serviceable, but they're not exactly stellar. The Dire is more trouble than it's worth and the Executioner, much as I love ti, is just too heavy for what it brings to the table (the firepower of a Timberwolf).

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:23 PM

Yes, KDK can NASCAR, laser vom, gauss vom, poke, jump, brawl, snipe,hide. It can do anything it wants, and is very versatile.

The DWF can only gauss/laser vom and snipe. Its a very slow and sluggish turret that can never be withdrawn once deployed, will die to NASCAR, etc.

The KGC has already eclipsed the DWF, and the KDK brings clantech into the mix, so the KDK will be beastly.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:27 PM

The Kodiak is really tall, easier to hit than the squat Dire. The Kodiak seems to me like the clan version of the atlas... may be faster but just as limited in hitbox and I don't think its hardpoints are as nice as the Dire's...just personal preference. I am not buying the Kodiak.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 08:32 PM

Dire Wolf is already not very relevant out of a few, very niche, situations.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 08:35 PM

As a Dire pilot primarily, I have never ever had a problem facing down any other assault. If you can't take an IS assault rather easily I might add, then you aren't driving your whale right.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 08:50 PM

View PostMalachy Karrde, on 04 February 2016 - 08:35 PM, said:

As a Dire pilot primarily, I have never ever had a problem facing down any other assault. If you can't take an IS assault rather easily I might add, then you aren't driving your whale right.

One vs. one, face to face, sure. Pushing 120pt alphas can tear through anything fast enough.

But the problem with the DWF is getting it into that position without having more agile mechs dance around you and cut you apart. This wasn't an issue before the agility nerfs, but now a DWF requires support and teamwork to be able to bring it's guns to bear effectively. It's not a bad mech, but it's one of very restricted usefulness these days. It's still very good at specific things, but it has huge, glaring vulnerabilities.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 09:02 PM

hmmm ... no

View PostWintersdark, on 04 February 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

but now a DWF requires support and teamwork to be able to bring it's guns to bear effectively.


in a team game you say?

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 09:02 PM

If you want to bring 6 UAC5s and move around slow then get the Dire Wolf.

If you want to move around fast and bring alpha strikes just as high then get the Kodiak. If you want a 90kph 100 ton mech then elite the Spirit Bear and have a field day with MASC. If you want to be able to run circles around a quad UAC10 Dire Wolf while using quac UAC10s yourself then get a Kodiak.

Dire Wolf honestly needs some help, it probably won't get a buff though since there are still many mechs much worse than it, though its definitely not the best. All I ever see of those things when they are on the enemy team is how fast they get focused and how fast their CT goes down or how easily their ST breaks off.

Kodiak will definitely be better in almost all aspects.

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Posted 04 February 2016 - 09:10 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 04 February 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

in a team game you say?


Which is why the DWF is so bad now... Because good luck finding that! =)





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