

Will The Kodiak Make The Direwolf Irrelevant? Discussion!
#1
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:36 PM
Just as Much Lasers on one Variant,
Just as Much Dakka on another one,
One even has JJ to allow for that,
Full BattleMech Customizability,
and the Hero even has MASC,
So Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
#2
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:38 PM
#3
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:40 PM
Its energy hardpoints might or might not be mounted lower than the Whale's arms. The Whale's head and side torsos will almost certainly remain higher than the Kodi's arms.
The Whale is apparently "oversized" (lol derp) according to Russ, which means the Whale might very well be smaller than the Kodi.
The Kodi's hardpoints will be more constricting in terms of builds and where you can stuff guns.
I'm not worried just yet.
I guess I could see the Kodi working better for ballistic boating due to high-mounted side torsos, and it can do missile boating because it has actual hardpoints for that, but for mixed energy + ballistic vomit I don't see much of an advantage over the Whale.
The Kodi beating the Whale at brawling is virtually guaranteed, but for mid to long range firing lines I think the Whale will continue to be relevant.
Edited by FupDup, 04 February 2016 - 06:50 PM.
#4
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:45 PM
#5
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:48 PM
Andi Nagasia, on 04 February 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:
Just as Much Lasers on one Variant,
Just as Much Dakka on another one,
One even has JJ to allow for that,
Full BattleMech Customizability,
and the Hero even has MASC,
So Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
The Direwolf has some options the Kodiak doesn't (moar ballistic dakka first and foremost, also in terms of pick-and-place hardpoints) but in all honesty, the Direwolf became irrelevant the moment the agility nerfs hit. It's huge, blocky, and ponderously slow.
The Kodiak will have somewhat lighter armaments, but with better geometry for spreading damage and most importantly larger engines (most frequently 350 and 375 rated engines) so it can actually move.
It's looking to be flat out better; but the point here is it's being flat out better than a poor chassis now. The Direwolf as it stands is a turret: one that can bring substantial firepower, but is simply too cumbersome.
FupDup, on 04 February 2016 - 06:40 PM, said:
Basically, where being a turret is ok

#6
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:49 PM
LegendaryArticuno, on 04 February 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:
That's not the main issue at hand...the main concern I think is that the Whale was known as the best assault period up until the skillz tree indirectly nerfed it. Beating the Whale would mean that the Kodi's PowerLevel would be pretty dang high, possibly in the dreaded "power creep" territory. Basically, we don't need to push the PowerLevel baseline any higher than it stands now.
Disclaimer: I'm not actually claiming to believe that the Kodi will actually accomplish that role of pushing up the power bar, I'm just explaining the logic.
#7
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:55 PM
FupDup, on 04 February 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:
Disclaimer: I'm not actually claiming to believe that the Kodi will actually accomplish that role of pushing up the power bar, I'm just explaining the logic.
The Direwolf is nowhere near the best assault right now; not even in the neighborhood. Still the most firepower (and that won't change), but its actually kind of poor now, certainly behind several IS assaults - at least barring certain specific situations.
#8
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:58 PM
#9
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM
So you can forget about theorycrafting about builds, hardpoints or whatnot. PGI will "balance" it somehow in other departments.
#10
Posted 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM
Andi Nagasia, on 04 February 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:
Just as Much Lasers on one Variant,
Just as Much Dakka on another one,
One even has JJ to allow for that,
Full BattleMech Customizability,
and the Hero even has MASC,
So Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
Well it did out class the Dire Wolf in TT I often found, well on more restrictive maps anyways... And it was optimized better in TT.... So maybe?
#11
Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:07 PM
#12
Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:16 PM
So yeah. the Kodiak very well might obsolete the Dire as it currently stands. That also doesn't really matter to me. The Clans in CW at least, need a better assault mech. The Warhawk and Gargoyle can be serviceable, but they're not exactly stellar. The Dire is more trouble than it's worth and the Executioner, much as I love ti, is just too heavy for what it brings to the table (the firepower of a Timberwolf).
#13
Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:23 PM
The DWF can only gauss/laser vom and snipe. Its a very slow and sluggish turret that can never be withdrawn once deployed, will die to NASCAR, etc.
The KGC has already eclipsed the DWF, and the KDK brings clantech into the mix, so the KDK will be beastly.
#14
Posted 04 February 2016 - 07:27 PM
#15
Posted 04 February 2016 - 08:32 PM
#16
Posted 04 February 2016 - 08:35 PM
#17
Posted 04 February 2016 - 08:50 PM
Malachy Karrde, on 04 February 2016 - 08:35 PM, said:
One vs. one, face to face, sure. Pushing 120pt alphas can tear through anything fast enough.
But the problem with the DWF is getting it into that position without having more agile mechs dance around you and cut you apart. This wasn't an issue before the agility nerfs, but now a DWF requires support and teamwork to be able to bring it's guns to bear effectively. It's not a bad mech, but it's one of very restricted usefulness these days. It's still very good at specific things, but it has huge, glaring vulnerabilities.
#19
Posted 04 February 2016 - 09:02 PM
If you want to move around fast and bring alpha strikes just as high then get the Kodiak. If you want a 90kph 100 ton mech then elite the Spirit Bear and have a field day with MASC. If you want to be able to run circles around a quad UAC10 Dire Wolf while using quac UAC10s yourself then get a Kodiak.
Dire Wolf honestly needs some help, it probably won't get a buff though since there are still many mechs much worse than it, though its definitely not the best. All I ever see of those things when they are on the enemy team is how fast they get focused and how fast their CT goes down or how easily their ST breaks off.
Kodiak will definitely be better in almost all aspects.
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