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[Douglas grizzly]

as i noted i have two burning questions. 1 in academy you have a gauntlet to go through and you are stuck on a bridge most of the way and the opposing mechs are either hidden from view as you approach the waypoint or are at a position you wont see and can fire on until after you have passed the waypoint. How in sam hill can you pass guantlet especially with raven you get put in most of the time. 2 in the combats i have noticed something kinda odd. heavy and assault mechs that can som,ehow move around on the map without showing up on the map without showing up as a triangle or on the map. How are they doing that.

[Lukoi Banacek]

#2 - Until someone targets them, no mech automatically lights up with the position indicator aka "triangle" or "dorito." ECM can also suppress the position indicator if they are within 90m of it and not being PPC'd/TAG'd.

[MechWarrior4023212]

Douglas grizzly, on 07 February 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

2 in the combats i have noticed something kinda odd. heavy and assault mechs that can somehow move around on the map without showing up on the map without showing up as a triangle or on the map. How are they doing that.

Firing also causes you to show up. ECM coverage can stop targeting as well.

[Koniving]

Douglas grizzly, on 07 February 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

as i noted i have two burning questions. 1 in academy you have a gauntlet to go through and you are stuck on a bridge most of the way and the opposing mechs are either hidden from view as you approach the waypoint or are at a position you wont see and can fire on until after you have passed the waypoint. How in sam hill can you pass guantlet especially with raven you get put in most of the time. 2 in the combats i have noticed something kinda odd. heavy and assault mechs that can som,ehow move around on the map without showing up on the map without showing up as a triangle or on the map. How are they doing that.

I'll answer and expand on your two questions, but first...

Spoiler

I'd like to ask you to not make a new thread for each question topic. We have the short question, short answer thread for quick questions. For on-going new player help, many of us (new and old players) would generally like to keep all the help each new player receives together into one thread for each player. This is for many reasons.

• It keeps the flood down, so that players who asked for help and are answered (but for some reason not quoted/notified) will be able to find their threads again when they don't yet know how to check threads they've made through the forum profile page.
  
• It makes it easy to follow the help the player has already received and allows us to be able to catch up and give informed advice... otherwise a new player is gonna hear a lot of overlapping advice potentially from the same people time and time again who might not remember they just said the same thing two days back in another thread for that new player. Again, reducing that also helps to keep the flood down and new players from being overwhelmed with information.
  
• It also helps us from feeling like the following when trying to figure out what advice has already been given versus what might need to be given, as well as finding information as to what sort of player you are, etc.
  
  • More importantly, it will help new players who would rather read advice already given than ask the ability to track down information and advice given to a similar player without having to feel like the following mother:
    

That said...


1) In the Academy's Ravens, you don't. (You could but it involves a lot of twisting and knowing what the path will be.) In a custom, owned Raven it's very easy to do even without any knowledge, just do 30 front side armor and 2 rear, center torso 4 rear and rest front. You're set and tanking like a boss. The stock Ravens, due to hit boxes, are screwed in that situation. Try it in one of the Jenners or the Firestarter. This will give you a closer-to-actual experience.

1-B ) Note that you only need to make contact with the waypoints; you do NOT need to follow the path exactly. If using the Raven 3L make sure your ECM is activated. I'm aware that the computer's AI cheats like crazy, but even it has to follow the ECM rules (as it is the turret AI). However, if you keep from permitting a line of sight, you'll be able to go through the whole gauntlet without a single speck of damage. If the Raven 4X is available, jump over the buildings. (Using the firestarter I spent a chunk of the course on roof tops.)

2) Doritos, triangles... Bet it's confusing.

Consider this:

• A hollow triangle is an enemy that SOMEONE can see, is within UP TO 900 meters of the person who sees it (that's assuming all kinds of range extending equipment, so probably closer), and is NOT targeted by anyone at all. OR.... someone that has been NARC'd, OR spotted by UAV.
  
• A solid triangle or Dorito™ is an enemy that meets the positive conditions above (with or without the NARC and/or UAV caveat) and IS being targeted by someone.

An enemy with neither of the above... is any or all of the following:

• Out of range for anyone to detect it.
  
• Not being looked at by someone in range to detect it.
  
• There's an invisible wall between you and your target (this happens with 'edges' close to buildings (pillars especially) and junk debris (Tourmaline Desert's ship parts).
  
• Is carrying ECM that is not being countered.
  
• (Possibly in the future as there has been talk of it) is using a sensor-spoofing consumable.
  
• Is an enemy that is powered off and not within range of a Beagle Active Probe's powered-down detection capabilities.

Understood?


To show up: An enemy must be sighted, in range, powered on except within 180 meters of BAP, and in the case of ECM, must not be jamming.

Edited by Koniving, 07 February 2016 - 02:37 PM.

[Douglas grizzly]

how to activate the ECM? I always figured it was automatic?

[Dan Baxter]

ECM can be toggled with "j" by default on QWERTY keyboards. You can toggle between "disrupt" (which makes it harder for enemies to target you) and "counter" (which allows you to counteract one ECM close by).

[Koniving]

It is. Won't stop the enemies from being able to shoot at you, but technically they should ignore you until....close enough for an ambush.

[Douglas grizzly]

tried the gaunlet with a decked out jenner and got to checkpoint 7 before i was cut down. switched out to the dwf there by the base and made it through round one and to point 5 on round 2 but no farther. the mechs are behind rocks or buildings till you pass waypoint and you are in a bad spot and they open up then.

[Rogue Jedi]

Douglas grizzly, on 07 February 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

tried the gaunlet with a decked out jenner and got to checkpoint 7 before i was cut down. switched out to the dwf there by the base and made it through round one and to point 5 on round 2 but no farther. the mechs are behind rocks or buildings till you pass waypoint and you are in a bad spot and they open up then.

try a fast medium, I have no problem making it around 3 times in a properly outfitted Spider, have also done it in Cicada, Firestarter, Griffin and Thunderbolt, except the TDR (the one you complete basic training in) all were heavily modified for speeds of 100+ in the Griffin, max speed in the others