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[Naglinator]

TELEFORCE, on 11 February 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

I think the Orion IIC is kind of a totem 'mech for Clan Wolf. For a long time only Clan Wolf built them and only gave them to warriors who deserved such prestige. The only reason the Orion has so much respect among the Clans is because The Great Father Aleksandr Kerensky piloted one.

Jesus, read the rest of the post to see what a totem mech is and ISNT. Clan specific mechs are not totem mechs unless they meet other criteria. That's like saying the dire wolf is a smoke jag totem mech because they jealously hid it. Sigh.

[HANGMAN1962]

all tho not a totum mech i'd like to see the black python ingame as a totum mech.
it was my faverite non-omni mech of the clans in tt.

[Wildstreak]

Ragnar Baron Leiningen, on 11 February 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

Sounds like 6 medium lasers and BAP to me. Which is just fine for the Jumping cicada

Actually a Dragonfly C with maybe a couple Omnipod swaps can mount up to 9 Energy so you need some ERSL to use all the spots. Like a 10 ton lighter version of the 12 ERSL Nova with obnoxious speed but a slightly smaller profile.

[Repasy Cooper]

Naglinator, on 11 February 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Jesus, read the rest of the post to see what a totem mech is and ISNT. Clan specific mechs are not totem mechs unless they meet other criteria. That's like saying the dire wolf is a smoke jag totem mech because they jealously hid it. Sigh.

I'm pretty sure he read the post and knows Nag, he's just saying what he perceives as a totem 'mech, to him. That's totally fine tbh. Why? Wiki 'totem':

Wikipedia said:

Wikipedia. Totem. Accessed Feb. 12, 2016. url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totem

A totem (Ojibwe dodaem) is a spirit being, sacred object, or symbol that serves as an emblem of a group of people, such as a family, clan, lineage, or tribe.

So in conclusion, a 'totem' 'mech surely doesn't have to be restricted to looking like an animal. It can just be an emblem, symbol, etc., of the Clan. Something they associate with themselves strongly. And in that case, TELEFORCE is most certainly right to identify the Orion IIC as a Clan Wolf totem 'mech. It definitely gives the Clan pride.

Try not to always get so caught up in BT lore. It ain't the bible, and even THAT has multiple interpretations lmao.

Edited by Repasy, 12 February 2016 - 08:34 AM.

[Naglinator]

Nope, it's pretty clear what clan totem mechs are and aren't. IS ones are a different story. Don't like it? Too bad.

[Repasy Cooper]

Naglinator, on 12 February 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Nope, it's pretty clear what clan totem mechs are and aren't. IS ones are a different story. Don't like it? Too bad.

So you'd say then that the Timber Wolf is not a totem 'mech? Just because the lore doesn't list it as such? If that's your criteria I pity you...

[Sparkymarkyp]

So how do we define a totem mech?

Its either a mech exclusively built and operated by only 1 clan i.e. timberwolf CW

Or

Ditto but the mech is also stylised and named for the respective clan as a status symbol and source of pride. I.e. kodiak CGB

[Naglinator]

If you freebirths like i can post a pic of EVERY clan totem mech. I can assure you that EACH one looks atleast similar to an animal related to that clan.

[Repasy Cooper]

I think we can just go along the same lines as the definition of 'totem' I pulled from wiki earlier. It just has to be a symbol of the Clan's pride, power, ideology, etc. Something that definitively identifies itself with the Clan. Like the Timber Wolf for instance. It may not be a totem 'mech officially, but whoever doesn't associate it with Clan Wolf is probably brand new to BT lore (nothing wrong with that ).

Some of the 'mechs in my list admittedly are a stretch, and people can disagree with those choices by all means. Just don't make the only reason being it ain't official lore lmao...

Naglinator, on 12 February 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

If you freebirths like i can post a pic of EVERY clan totem mech. I can assure you that EACH one looks atleast similar to an animal related to that clan.

LOL sure if you want. Or like, we can just google Sarna.net like we always do, vat baby.

Edited by Repasy, 12 February 2016 - 09:59 AM.

[Naglinator]

You are clearly confused with a SIGNATURE mech, a mech that a clan tends to use, then to a totem mech which represents the clan on a more artistic scale. Yes wikipedia says that a totem can mean many things, but as far as battletech is concerned, with the clan, minus one exception, it's an animal. So no orion IIC, and timberwolves and the such are NOT totem mechs. By your weak *** definition all clan mechs are totem mechs.

[Repasy Cooper]

Nag... if you could effectively convince us that an Ebon Jaguar should be a totem 'mech by your definition, then I would be willing to accept your arguments. My definition of totem 'mech actually better supports some official totem 'mechs compared to yours. Even if yours might be 'canon' does not make it right. I mean... jeez, have the freaking insight to recognize that the writers contradict themselves! Your conditions may have been acceptable for a time, but they are flawed in that they are outdated and irrelevant for this game. Why would they bother to announce a totem mech in a time period where one of the represented Clans don't have a single 'official' totem mech? Because they don't care about your definition, they are reviving MechWarrior the way they want, and based on how they released the Kodiak it doesn't make much sense to leave a faction out of the totem line..

Edited by Repasy, 12 February 2016 - 01:09 PM.

[Naglinator]

Clearly a cat. My point rests.

Also, my conditions are not out of date? That's like saying you can call a rock an omni mech now because 20 years ago the writers didnt quite now what exactly to make an omni out of? Anyways, im done with this.

[Gould Vickers]

fire scorpion please

[Voivode]

Clearly they'll have to bend the lore and/or timeline a little to get a totem for every clan. If we get some interesting mechs out of it then I'm fine with it. If it bothers you that they sell the mech pack as a "totem" pack then just pretend it's a "signature" mech when you're piloting it since gameplay doesn't have enough depth for lore to matter.

I think the Woodsman would be a great mech to have, introducing an Omnimech with a standard engine would bring something unique to the game.

I'd honestly say the Fire Falcon would be the best choice of your Clan Falcon list, assuming they'll want one of each weight class, that's a solid light mech.

But that theory just falls apart with Smoke Jaguar, unless they do use the Peregrine and take Clan Falcon for the Black Lanner.

Be interesting to see what they do.

[Repasy Cooper]

Voivode, on 23 February 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Clearly they'll have to bend the lore and/or timeline a little to get a totem for every clan. If we get some interesting mechs out of it then I'm fine with it. If it bothers you that they sell the mech pack as a "totem" pack then just pretend it's a "signature" mech when you're piloting it since gameplay doesn't have enough depth for lore to matter.

I think the Woodsman would be a great mech to have, introducing an Omnimech with a standard engine would bring something unique to the game.

I'd honestly say the Fire Falcon would be the best choice of your Clan Falcon list, assuming they'll want one of each weight class, that's a solid light mech.

But that theory just falls apart with Smoke Jaguar, unless they do use the Peregrine and take Clan Falcon for the Black Lanner.

Be interesting to see what they do.

Good point w/ the Woodsman. Though it's kind of obsolete w/ the Timber Wolf in action, you're definitely right in that having a STD Engine Omni would add some gameplay flavour.

Also agree w/ your opinion of the Fire Falcon. I think that would be an excellent addition to any MechWarrior game. Based on player popular opinion though, the odds are high we will see the Turkina. Particularly the TUR-B would be a popular addition for our laser-barf jockeys.

[Vanguard319]

how about the Balius? If you can get over the mlp with guns motif, it looks like a fairly solid fast heavy omnimech.

[Pariah Devalis]

Vanguard319, on 18 March 2016 - 06:51 PM, said:

how about the Balius? If you can get over the mlp with guns motif, it looks like a fairly solid fast heavy omnimech.

Paint it black and it becomes Death Pony.

Aww... the poor thing can't hear!
No, mommy, he said d-
DIIEEEEE.

[Richard Hazen]

I wonder if they'll ever introduce four legged mechs.

[Repasy Cooper]

Vanguard319, on 18 March 2016 - 06:51 PM, said:

how about the Balius? If you can get over the mlp with guns motif, it looks like a fairly solid fast heavy omnimech.

Would be awesome to have 4-legged mechs! No torso turn, but I wonder if they could get sidestep movement working for them. That would be neat.

[Pariah Devalis]

Repasy Cooper, on 20 March 2016 - 10:01 PM, said:

Would be awesome to have 4-legged mechs! No torso turn, but I wonder if they could get sidestep movement working for them. That would be neat.

I know I want my Stalking Spider. I don't even care if it is a worse Shadow Cat. The mech is a battlemech so at least it can be minmaxed a bit.


http://www.sarna.net...Stalking_Spider