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[Warlord Kentax]

So my wonderful faction leader decided to change factions for me without giving me a heads up. One problem, it's a clan faction and I have no clan mechs. I tried dropping with trial mechs and it's terrible. I was in Kurita for months but I want to go back, or maybe change to Davion. So I left the unit, but it wont let me change factions for 12 days unless I pay a bunch of c-bills. Is there a way around this? Because this all seems pretty unfair.

[MyriadDigits]

I've broken contracts with worse then 450,000 c-bills to pay. With a couple of good quick matches you should be able to make that up easy.

I'm relatively new to MWO though so there might be some secret way to circumvent paying a few thousand, or having to stick with that faction for three days.

Edited by MyriadDigits, 08 February 2016 - 07:54 PM.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

Under half a mil? I would just eat it and move on.

Edited by Boogie138, 08 February 2016 - 07:55 PM.

[Warlord Kentax]

Screw that. Guess I just wont be playing community warfare for two weeks. Good job PGI.

Edited by Warlord Kentax, 08 February 2016 - 08:01 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Warlord Kentax, on 08 February 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Screw that. Guess I just wont be playing community warfare for two weeks. Good job PGI.

Not PGI's fault.

Those penalties exist to prevent wanton faction hopping. It's unfortunate how things worked out for you, but that's kind of the thing when joining a unit: They become somewhat responsible for your behaviour (in that what you do reflects on your unit) and at the same time you're agreeing to follow their lead in choice of faction.

Half a mil is hardly crippling. That's two matches; maybe 15-20 minutes. Not the end of the world.

If you'd rather just not play CW for two weeks, well, whatever floats your boat. I'd rather lose one person from CW for a couple weeks because he's pissy than have even worse faction hopping.

[Warlord Kentax]

450,000 is more than just a "couple of good quick matches" for me. I play mostly play Assault and Conquest in a light and go capping a lot, which PGI has decided is worth jack squat in terms of c-bills. Plus I dont have any premium time so it's really slow.

Sure, this is my faction leader's fault for changing things without warning, but it's also PGIs fault for making community warfare even operate this way.

[MyriadDigits]

The reason capping isn't worth jack is because while you're sitting on their base, your team is getting destroyed a good klick-and-a-half from you. Even if you are a light, its kinda unfair to your team to not even bother fighting. Heck, You could run around behind them and reap up flanking and scouting bonuses left and right. If its a good match you'll even scoop up a bunch of assists with it.

Sitting idly by, easy as it may be, isn't terribly helpful for your team.

Edited by MyriadDigits, 08 February 2016 - 08:28 PM.

[Warlord Kentax]

Just last night I single-handedly capped the enemy base in assault, twice, three more times with help from a few other mechs. In several cases I capped merely as a distraction and later joined in the battle. Either way, even though it's a victory condition, it's worth almost nothing for no good reason.

[Wintersdark]

Warlord Kentax, on 08 February 2016 - 08:41 PM, said:

Just last night I single-handedly capped the enemy base in assault, twice, three more times with help from a few other mechs. In several cases I capped merely as a distraction and later joined in the battle. Either way, even though it's a victory condition, it's worth almost nothing for no good reason.

This is a different discussion, but again... It's a choice you are making with full knowledge of the consequences. You are choosing to earn very little c-bills, and you're also making everyone else earn less too.

It's a victory condition, so I don't fault that, but its still you're choice. You could elect to fight, earn more c-bills, and have no problem.

Basically: take some responsibility for your actions. You're whole situation is a result of your choices, and its easily within your power to make everything better if you so choose. As such, pity is in short supply here.

[Warlord Kentax]

Wintersdark, on 08 February 2016 - 08:47 PM, said:

This is a different discussion, but again... It's a choice you are making with full knowledge of the consequences. You are choosing to earn very little c-bills, and you're also making everyone else earn less too.

It's a victory condition, so I don't fault that, but its still you're choice. You could elect to fight, earn more c-bills, and have no problem.

Basically: take some responsibility for your actions. You're whole situation is a result of your choices, and its easily within your power to make everything better if you so choose. As such, pity is in short supply here.

That's a real shame. Every time I come asking for help on the forums all I get are disappointing answers and even some occasional shilling for PGI as though they are some immaculate organization that's made a perfect game (not that that is really happening here). At least it's not 4chan, but it's rare to find anyone willing to commiserate on here.

In this case in particular I'm not about to cooperate with a design mistake (having to pay for switching my faction after my unit leader forced me to change without warning) by cooperating in another design mistake (ignoring game objectives because PGI arbitrarily undervalued them in terms of c-bills and experience.) I'm not taking responsibility for other people's design mistakes or my unit leader's lack of courtesy.

Edited by Warlord Kentax, 08 February 2016 - 09:15 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Warlord Kentax, on 08 February 2016 - 09:14 PM, said:

That's a real shame. Every time I come asking for help on the forums all I get are disappointing answers and even some occasional shilling for PGI as though they are some immaculate organization that's made a perfect game (not that that is really happening here). At least it's not 4chan, but it's rare to find anyone willing to commiserate on here.

In this case in particular I'm not about to cooperate with a design mistake (having to pay for switching my faction after my unit leader forced me to change without warning) by cooperating in another design mistake (ignoring game objectives because PGI arbitrarily undervalued them in terms of c-bills and experience.) I'm not taking responsibility for other people's design mistakes or my unit leader's lack of courtesy.

There are lots of things I'd happily be right there with you bitching about... But these things are your own fault.

Assault is being wholly replaced, so that's covered (its a stupid design), but as it currently stands choosing to play in a way that earns you few c-bills is... Well, its not silly, but you certainly don't get to complain that you're not making many c-bills.

I feel it's a problem, too. So do lots of people. But getting all up on a igh horse about it is just chopping off your nose to spite your face.

The faction thing, that design is like that for a specific reason, and without it in place there would be other, worse problems. Your situation is the lesser of evils here.

That's all.