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[TercieI]

Some of you are good at this: What's a good estimate for CB costs on the IIC mechs? (Ok, really the Jenners)

[Escef]

Around 9.5 million. An IS Jenner with upgrades and stock engine is around 5 million, the 315XL is around 5 million, less the 1.5 million for the old stock engine you won't be getting charged for, and some leeway for the more expensive weapons. 9.5 should be a good estimate. At least for the Jenners.

Edited by Escef, 18 December 2015 - 11:53 AM.

[TercieI]

Escef, on 18 December 2015 - 11:51 AM, said:

Around 9.5 million. An IS Jenner with upgrades and stock engine is around 5 million, the 315XL is around 5 million, less the 1.5 million for the old stock engine you won't be getting charged for, and some leeway for the more expensive weapons. 9.5 should be a good estimate. At least for the Jenners.

Thx. 9-10 was my guess too.

[Lorian Sunrider]

Gonna start saving Terciel?

[0bsidion]

The variants running STD engines are going to be closer in cost to their IS counterparts, within about 1 or 2 mil. The ones with the works, like the Jenny IIC? You can probably count on them running in the ballpark of 8 to 9mil. I'd say the Hunchie IICs are going to be around 11 to 12mil.

The Orion IIC will probably be about 8 to 9 mil, and the Highlander IIC will likely be 11mil to 12mil.

[TercieI]

Lorian Sunrider, on 18 December 2015 - 12:23 PM, said:

Gonna start saving Terciel?

I have them, but I'm de-whaling and not buying everything any more (none of the singlets since the Urbie and only JR7&HBK of IIC), so I'm actually considering CB usage in the future (I have 115MM now, but even with new economy, when you start buying chassis with CB, it burns fast) much more than I have in the past. The question here is just how many more Jenner IICs I buy.

[Deathlike]

The engines are what eats you up. Since you already get DHS, Endo, FF (under most instances).. it's the XL engine that is eating you whole.

So, at least $5m per mech is what you are going to end up spending... most of it on the engine.

[TercieI]

Deathlike, on 18 December 2015 - 01:31 PM, said:

The engines are what eats you up. Since you already get DHS, Endo, FF (under most instances).. it's the XL engine that is eating you whole.

So, at least $5m per mech is what you are going to end up spending... most of it on the engine.

Absolutely. But 315s cash out pretty well and take some of the edge of that. Not many builds actually use that engine (it's in the unfortunate engine dead spot between the 300 and 325)

Edited by TercieI, 18 December 2015 - 01:33 PM.

[Deathlike]

TercieI, on 18 December 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

Absolutely. But 315s cash out pretty well and take some of the edge of that. Not many builds actually use that engine (it's in the unfortunate engine dead spot between the 300 and 325)

Well, they are good for temporary engines for the Highlander (I don't care about the Onions... I mean Orions).

Hoarding engines is a good thing in the Paulconomy.

[TercieI]

Deathlike, on 18 December 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

Well, they are good for temporary engines for the Highlander (I don't care about the Onions... I mean Orions).

Hoarding engines is a good thing in the Paulconomy.

What Paulconomy? I'm pulling down 450k/match on good matches. My rather heavily back-weighted average earnings is already up 1k/match. The Paulconomy is over.

Edited by TercieI, 18 December 2015 - 01:56 PM.

[Escef]

A Hamster on a Wheel, on 18 December 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

It's around the Cheetah price for the IIC Jenners

Where are you getting your prices from?

[TercieI]

A Hamster on a Wheel, on 18 December 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

Nope.

Spoiler

HGN-IIC = 9,670,316
HGN-IIC-A = 10,024,040
HGN-IIC-B = 9,468,100
HGN-IIC-C = 12,656,076

HGN Total = 41,818,532

ON1-IIC = 7,694,818
ON1-IIC-A = 7,849,878
ON1-IIC-B = 11,265,638
ON1-IIC-C = 10,646,758

ON1 Total = 37,457,092

HBK-IIC = 7,511,790
HBK-IIC-A = 6,947,852
HBK-IIC-B = 6,823,852
HBK-IIC-C = 7,199,820

HBK Total = 28,483,314

JR7-IIC = 6,916,092
JR7-IIC-2 = 6,918,152
JR7-IIC-3 = 6,660,092
JR7-IIC-A = 6,524,092

JR7 Total = 27,018,428

Grand Total = 134,777,366

It's around the Cheetah price for the IIC Jenners

YW

Escef, on 18 December 2015 - 02:38 PM, said:

Where are you getting your prices from?

I love this answer but share Escef's question.

[Chados]

Escef, on 18 December 2015 - 11:51 AM, said:

Around 9.5 million. An IS Jenner with upgrades and stock engine is around 5 million, the 315XL is around 5 million, less the 1.5 million for the old stock engine you won't be getting charged for, and some leeway for the more expensive weapons. 9.5 should be a good estimate. At least for the Jenners.

This sounds like a reasonable estimate to me, given the general cost of Clan hardware overall.

[Escef]

A Hamster on a Wheel, on 18 December 2015 - 08:38 PM, said:

The game, and math.

Spoiler

JR7-IIC-A

Chassis & Hardlocked Equip
35t Chassis = 780,320
Hardlocked Equip: None

Weapons & Equipment
315XL Engine = 5,145,000
2 extra DHS = 24,000
7 JJ-Vs = 308,000
6 SPLs = 192,000

Armor & Ammo
134pts FF armor = 74,772
Ammo: None

= 6,524,092

All that would be changing for the rest of the IIC Jenners are the weapons and ammo. You can use the same process for the rest of the IIC's to confirm my numbers.

You're not charging for the DHS upgrade and endo steel. Endo steel is 350k, DHS is 1.5 million. (Not sure on ferro upgrade cost, you need the upgrade and the armor price, you've got the armor price, but not the upgrade.) So, even if the rest of your numbers are spot on (and at a glance they don't look bad, but I'm not going to double check everything), you're estimate is still almost 2 million low.

[Warblood]

7,490,475 C-bills

Edited by Warblood, 19 December 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[Deathlike]

TercieI, on 18 December 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

What Paulconomy? I'm pulling down 450k/match on good matches. My rather heavily back-weighted average earnings is already up 1k/match. The Paulconomy is over.

I get nowhere near that kind of money.

That's even before "consumable deductions" and premium.

[Bishop Steiner]

Escef, on 18 December 2015 - 11:51 AM, said:

Around 9.5 million. An IS Jenner with upgrades and stock engine is around 5 million, the 315XL is around 5 million, less the 1.5 million for the old stock engine you won't be getting charged for, and some leeway for the more expensive weapons. 9.5 should be a good estimate. At least for the Jenners.

how much do arctic cheetos, stormcrows, Timbies and Warhawks cost? Should be roughly analogous.

[Escef]

A Hamster on a Wheel, on 19 December 2015 - 02:32 PM, said:

Until then, my numbers shall stand as the most accurate.

We'll just see how it pans out.

[Virlutris]

A Hamster on a Wheel, on 19 December 2015 - 02:32 PM, said:

Escef, I have done price breakdowns for every mech PGI has ever made, and I know how they price their mechs to the point I can predict future mech costs with a +/-2 c-bill difference due to rounding.

I know for a fact PGI does not include the in-game upgrade fees in the purchase price of any mech to date. So that's why those fees are not counted. If you don't believe me, name any mech with upgrades stock and I'll be able to prove those exact fees are not included in the purchase price.

Until then, my numbers shall stand as the most accurate.

Do you happen to have a spreadsheet of those, that you might also happen to be willing to share via google docs or somesuch?

Not because I'm doubting your numbers, so much as I'm a geek and I like information. "Information is ammunition," and all that.

Then again, this is also the kind of thing that could generate one of those data-resource threadnoughts we see on the forums.

[RedDevil]

Nicely done.