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#21 StainlessSR

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:37 PM

View PostBig Tin Man, on 22 February 2016 - 11:56 AM, said:

I know that's the conventional wisdom, my question is why? Response time? There's some damn fine screens in TV land for less.


There are several reasons. Now I am not saying you cannot game on a TV, but for some persons the tradeoffs are not acceptable.

Input lag - the amount of time it takes for the picture to be processed by the display device.

Pixel Density - The amount of pixels in a square in(cm) of screen realestate. Larger displays of the same resolution have a lower pixel density

Pixel response time - How long the acutal pixel takes to change state (motion blur) (generally also included as part of input lag)

Monitors for computers usually have less processing going on prior to displaying the picture and also are usually made with faster responding display's, thereby reducing input lag and motion blur. Also, monitors are made to be used at the close ranges that most pc users sit at (<3')(or the length of the persons arm). TV's are made to be view from a greater distance generally.

TLDR: it's more personal preference. Sudden death twitch shooters it would matter more for.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:42 PM

View PostStainlessSR, on 22 February 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:


Pixel Density - The amount of pixels in a square in(cm) of screen realestate. Larger displays of the same resolution have a lower pixel density

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One of the reasons I went for a 25" IPS over a 27" IPS. Pixel density is so much better, especially in 1440p.

Also not stated is the fact that monitors=Gsync, TV=nosync. Again, twitch gaming and all that.

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 08:23 AM

The "I'm a filthy casual college student working part time at a pizza joint so I can handle mixed low and medium settings" special:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($87.95 @ OutletPC)
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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:47 AM

View PostxWiredx, on 19 February 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

Quick question: why would you put so a paltry cooler on an unlocked chip? Seems like that's itching for a change because that chip has a lot more oomph to give you.


I have all 4 cores overclocked to 4.5Ghz, and it only hits 70C under load. The Skylakes are nice because they moved the southbridge from the chip to the mobo (I believe it's the southbridge, I could be using a completely wrong name...), allowing the chip to run a lot cooler. The chip also uses much less Wattage than any other high-end chip on the market.
I also enjoy not having pump noise, and prefer the quiet nature of the Hyper Evo 212.

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 12:13 PM

By "70°C under load," you mean Prime95, OCCT, et al.? 'Cause xWiredx's point is there are much better Big Air coolers for that chip …

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 01:29 PM

HardOCP was getting high 70s with their chip being water cooled (a koolance loop, not an AIO) during testing. 70c with a low-end air cooler? Seems unlikely.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:38 PM

View PostTalonek03, on 24 February 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:


...they moved the southbridge from the chip to the mobo (I believe it's the southbridge, I could be using a completely wrong name...), allowing the chip to run a lot cooler.


Actually, it was the FIVR (Full Integrated Voltage Regulation). The PCH(aka Southbridge) has not yet been integrated into the CPU.

Also...we are getting far from the point of this thread so...

i5-6600K
16GB RAM
R9-380
512GB SSD
600W PSU
Z170 Mobo

Case, HSF to taste.

Overclocked to 4Ghz + it should have absolutely no problem running MWO at 1080p 60fps+ Maxed out.

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 08:18 AM

http://www.maximumpc...6-midrange-rig/

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 08:49 AM

View PostGoose, on 26 February 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:



That case is excellent for smaller systems, but I wouldn't put a mid-range or higher-end system in one. I have an 8-core Atom-based home server sitting in it and its fine. With an i7 and high-end GPU? Nah, get a better case. The RAM needs to be faster, at DDR4-2666 they'd have been better off going with DDR3. Still, a pretty good build overall.

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 09:13 AM

Intel Friday

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($189.49 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Alpine 11 Pro Rev. 2 36.7 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($11.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($69.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R7 370 2GB PCS+ Video Card ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax OSTROG ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 360W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($57.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $602.19
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Moar closely resembles Cheap/ Weak, no? Posted Image

I basically spent $2 on the CPU cooler; $10 took 40W out'a the card; I put ~$25 into the PSU to be Gold Plus (over the CX 430M Bronze.)

Then we have my hang-up with RAM and chipsets: I know there are H170s out there for less then $40, but the RAM for them seems to cost another $15 over what I have here. But what if you wanted to upgrade the CPU in about a year? Posted Image

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 08:31 AM

AMD Saturday

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CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor ($126.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Cooler ($48.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($61.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive ($69.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R7 370 2GB PCS+ Video Card ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax OSTROG ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec TruePower Classic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Scythe Slipstream 110.3 CFM 120mm Fan ($7.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $566.68
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[Demoman]SO[/Demoman]: After all this time, it has sunk though my thick skull that a FX-8320E makes perfect sense for Cheap/ Weak. Posted Image Add to the One Cheap Overclocker Mobo, and the Optim Cooler, and you should be in good shape.

The Scythe is an exhaust fan, so you move the original case fan up front. Just not on the door, please …

It only cost ~$8 to go Gold Plus, but if you are willing to cheat, there's this EVGA 600B for $41 …

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Posted 03 March 2016 - 03:11 PM

Intel Board Early'n Often

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CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($245.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright TS-140 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($92.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Dark Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Silicon Power Slim S55 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($58.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Pipeline HD 2TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.90 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Enermax UCMAA12A 83.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($6.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Enermax UCMAA12A 83.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($6.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Enermax UCMAA12A 83.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($6.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Cable for door fan ($7.50)
Total: $877.27
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Had to relearn how much fun it was to track down an extension cable for door mounts … Posted Image

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Posted 04 March 2016 - 12:35 PM

AMD Driven to Tears

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Cooler ($48.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($102.75 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($38.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($66.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Scythe Slipstream 110.3 CFM 120mm Fan ($7.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $834.46
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Cases for this cooler are few'n far between. Posted Image And between that XB budget-buster and the funny set of drives, instead of the "normal" 2TB hybrid, what have we learned?

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:01 PM

Intel Thursday Posted Image

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Directron)
Storage: Toshiba P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 370 4GB Nitro Video Card ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $549.81
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For $10 more then a 1TB Hybrid, what have you gained? And look at that RAM price! Posted Image

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:30 PM

B-b-b-b-b-bonus Bargain Time Posted Image

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($189.49 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 45.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($86.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($43.37 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Directron)
Storage: Toshiba P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380 2GB PCS+ Video Card ($163.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Enermax REVOLUTION X't 430W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $658.57
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We can all guess at what the card gets you, but what about the CPU? Or the laggy RAM?

Then, there's the cheating on the PSU: Being 8W over means no room for expansion, and if you run it for more then 8 hours a day, you face replacing it in about a year … Posted Image There was a SSP-45oRT for $10 more that'd probably be wiser, but …Posted Image

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:16 PM

AMD Time, already

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor ($125.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-B CPU Cooler ($48.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($85.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Directron)
Storage: Toshiba P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 370 4GB Nitro Video Card ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT WH ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $613.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Posted Image Not my usual RAM, but I told myself "It's Cheap/ Weak" repeatedly. Posted Image

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 09:29 PM

AMD Killing Joke

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8370E 3.3GHz 8-Core Processor ($189.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900MAX-R CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock 970M PRO3 Micro ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($41.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($50.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Silicon Power Silm S55 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390X 8GB DEVIL Video Card ($433.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($44.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: LEPA 1375W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($185.98 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Creative Labs ZXR 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($211.03 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: BitFenix Spectre Pro LED 148.7 CFM 200mm Fan ($19.33 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1448.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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This board has been out how long, and only now am I hearing about it?eleven?!
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I have no idea if you can actually fit the radiator in back without ether pinching the hoses, or else making them the highest point in the coolant loop (a Know Bad Practice©,) and still clearing the CPU cooler. The case claims there to be all sorts of options, but since I'm going for lots of grill-space to work with the Zen of Zalman …

The motherboard also has only 4+1 phases on the VRM: Even with the provided heatsink on them, the overclock isn't gon'a go very far

The original plan was to use a real Fury X, so the unbreathing window panel could cover this no-airflow-needed facing, but then I got it in my head to use the much cheaper Devil; And also the hose-thing might work out better, what with the upward mounts, instead of forward-facing … But then I had some moar rum and promptly added a two hundred dollar sound card for the looks.

Using a Fury X only shrinks the PSU a little …
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I do hope you know how to throttle the intake fan …

I could'a held onto this one for Patch Day, but …well
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Posted 15 March 2016 - 12:13 PM

Patch Day can be the Sum of All Fears: Have a Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Prolimatech PRO-SAM17 Fanless CPU Cooler ($44.97 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($57.50 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX200 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($109.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($491.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone RVZ01B Mini ITX Desktop Case ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG GS40N DVD/CD Writer ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1537.38
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Think it'll run TXAA2x?

You might wana' replace the two Silverstone fans with three 12mm Scythes, but finding them requires getting off of pcpartpickers' beaten path …

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 05:54 PM

Verly: I say unto thee "Yar"

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 07:28 PM

View PostGoose, on 17 March 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:



i3-6100, starts at 3.7. ZOOOOOOOM!

Also...I seem to recall something...Posted Image

Edited by darqsyde, 17 March 2016 - 07:40 PM.






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