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[Joshua Obrien]

Impose 2 sets of stats in the game.

When you drop with your clan mechs in Quick match have the values set to what they are now.

When you drop with your clan mechs in CW have them at table top value and retardedly strong and either give them-

A. Lower tonnage restriction for clans (this fits with lore)

B. 10 clan mechs vs 12 IS mechs.


Understand that IS quirks would have to be lowered in CW to match said changes.

If you have alternate stats that only kick in for CW then everyone can have their cake and eat it too. Quick match ques will be fine and unaffected by said changes.

[Lily from animove]

this has nothing to do with clan or not clan. this isn't a TT boardgame with dices that deicde hits, nor a game where geometry doesn't matters.

This is a FPS like shooter and it needs it's very own balance changes, which have not much to do with Clan or IS. It's a thing that has to happen on chassis base.

Edited by Lily from animove, 18 February 2016 - 02:34 AM.

[Revis Volek]

Joshua Obrien, on 17 February 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

Impose 2 sets of stats in the game.

When you drop with your clan mechs in Quick match have the values set to what they are now.

When you drop with your clan mechs in CW have them at table top value and retardedly strong and either give them-

A. Lower tonnage restriction for clans (this fits with lore)

B. 10 clan mechs vs 12 IS mechs.


Understand that IS quirks would have to be lowered in CW to match said changes.

If you have alternate stats that only kick in for CW then everyone can have their cake and eat it too. Quick match ques will be fine and unaffected by said changes.

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Just stop....


This has been talked about 1000 times, i am not going into it again in this thread.


PLEASE use the god dammed search function before you post the same old drivel on the forums, this topic has been talked to death. I just was in one yesterday...


Nothing you say here hasnt been talked about, asked about or discussed yet. This is not new, sorry to say but you were not the first one with this idea and there are reasons it not here. If you want to know the reasons please go to this thread.

http://mwomercs.com/...d-at-same-time/

[Cion]

No.

Some additional ideas from TT might be good, but going full TT on an FPS is not compatible.

Even w what you propose you would still need to deviate from TT to properly balance 10v12, as hard as that is. Not to mention hitboxes, harpoint positioning, etc. etc. etc.

[C E Dwyer]

This game is to far gone, so why bother trying to bring TT into it, that hope lays in Battletech when it launches in 2017

[Coralld]

Really? Another one of these? This has been talked about to death and beyand and the idea is horribly flawed then as it is now.

GO AWAY I BEG YOU!

[Revis Volek]

Cathy, on 17 February 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

This game is to far gone, so why bother trying to bring TT into it, that hope lays in Battletech when it launches in 2017

If you want to play TT this isnt the game for it or you, i dont recall them ever saying they were making a TT computer game or that they would stick to the script so strictly.

These are all opinions people had of the game which now they think are fact. PGI never said they were making TT 3.0 or whatever...never.

[C E Dwyer]

They never did, but you can take your salt and put it somewhere else

[Stelar 7]

No, no I don't want TT values in my FPS, can you imagine shooting each weapon only once every ten seconds? *shudders* Thanks for asking though eh.

[Felicitatem Parco]

So, you want the game to be more fun for Clanners than IS players?

Sod off.

OP ClanTech with 8v12 or 10v12 means their Mechs are more powerful, faster, get to kill more enemies, have to share their kills with fewer teammates, and give that feeling of stompage.

It would make Clan Mechs outright more fun that IS Mechs.

Please stop trying to screw half the playerbase over.

[wanderer]

No, I don't want TT purist stats in my MWO.

But I will say people make a ton of uninformed misconceptions about TT, and there's a lot of TT stuff that could have done wonders towards fixing stuff in MWO.

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shooting each weapon only once every ten seconds

Take this, for example. Actual, it's-in-the-rules RoF ranges from 1-4 shots per turn depending on the weapon- but the basic rules collapse that down to 1 shot/10 seconds because all guns can fire at least once in ten seconds. Variable rate of fire has been in the rules since 1991.

But the OP really does need to realize that PGI always goes for the lowest-effort solution and won't even think of complexity like multiple stats for units. It's not happening.

[Wolfways]

OP stop pretending that players care or want a team-based MWO. Its every man/woman for his/her self.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

Well yeah BT stats... If we ever get some sort of Stock Mode.

[Ted Wayz]

At some point OP you need to learn to talk about the TT functions people like but not the ones people do not like. I mean learn to be a hypocrite already.

[Revis Volek]

Ted Wayz, on 17 February 2016 - 04:26 PM, said:

At some point OP you need to learn to talk about the TT functions people like but not the ones people do not like. I mean learn to be a hypocrite already.

Ok that was pretty funny...

[Troutmonkey]

10v12 Clanners vs IS = 40 vs 48 in CW.
How can you balance the 8 mech difference without making Clans crazy OP (thus making IS unfun cannon fodder)

Or as Homeless Bill once said

Homeless Bill said:

Tabletop Values for Everything
Just shut the **** up.
Verdict: Seriously.

[Joshua Obrien]

Prosperity Park, on 17 February 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

So, you want the game to be more fun for Clanners than IS players?

Sod off.

OP ClanTech with 8v12 or 10v12 means their Mechs are more powerful, faster, get to kill more enemies, have to share their kills with fewer teammates, and give that feeling of stompage.

It would make Clan Mechs outright more fun that IS Mechs.

Please stop trying to screw half the playerbase over.

You seem to have missed the mark on what I'm saying. So instead of being a douche and straw manning my argument into something like wanting to **** over the player base, take a step back and look at what the game in it's current iteration is.

Clans, outside of the mechlab, play just like IS mechs with some minor non game changing differences. Clan mechs don't feel like clan mechs, IS mechs don't feel like innersphere mechs.

If that's what we're after then jump the timeline to something around 3066 where most of the IS and Clan weapons are closer in comparison to one another so we can at least have more flavor than what we've currently got.

And for the record I love my IS mechs and would play them regardless if balance favored the Clans. Right now I know that me and many others are growing very bored with the 12 v 12 arena shooter we currently have. It's lackluster and has barely any differences that make one faction stand out from another besides geometry and laser color.

[STEF_]

Revis Volek, on 17 February 2016 - 03:12 PM, said:

If you want to play TT this isnt the game for it or you, i dont recall them ever saying they were making a TT computer game or that they would stick to the script so strictly.

These are all opinions people had of the game which now they think are fact. PGI never said they were making TT 3.0 or whatever...never.

I still read "A Battletech game" there.

Maybe they should give us the feeling of a BT game... or maybe they should just delete that claim.

[Jaeger Gonzo]

All what this game needs is Stock Mode, for some of us that want to play with more BTish game settings.

[Joshua Obrien]

Jaeger Gonzo, on 17 February 2016 - 05:18 PM, said:

All what this game needs is Stock Mode, for some of us that want to play with more BTish game settings.

Sadly this is something we've all wanted for a very very very long time. And the argument against it is "Well MWO doesn't have the numbers to support this."