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[DAYLEET]

Im pretty sure everyone gets the treatment, asperger or not. Sorry dude but stop focusing on your asperger and just accept that people will be ******* or fkup, they already are with everyone else.

[Jables McBarty]

I know pretty much nothing about Asperger's, but I'm guessing that "just ignore them" isn't useful advice....but I will agree that the Block button is useful, and even if it is a placebo (which it might be), the Report button is useful if people are screaming abuse at you.

I for one like it when someone is willing to step up to the tactical command. I've been put on drops with Novakaine (who commented above) a couple times, and it's nice to have that structure to the game. Every once in a while I might ignore the person calling out orders, but that's my prerogative. So just remind yourself that there is a silent element that either doesn't mind or actually appreciates the talking.

And if it's still an issue to play with everyone muted (which I've done for various lengths while playing Dota, which has a predominately a**face-based community), then the "find a respectful unit" solution sounds like a good one.

[C E Dwyer]

AlexEss, on 17 February 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Only real solution is....

Don´t pug. Find a solid group that can drop with you and stick with them. It is actually not as hard as it seems, you would be surprised hw understanding and accepting people are.

Sadly ******* are not the sole property of Pugs, units have them to

[Coolant]

Not sure how accurate the tv show is, but I've watched all episodes of Parenthood, and there is one character that has aspergers... actually 2 but the second doesn't show up till the last two seasons.

But you know all you have to do is turn VOIP and Chat completely off and you don't have to deal with people at all, at least socially. You can just play the game.

[KHETTI]

Hey OP, maybe consider finding a group of non-douches to drop with,other than that, you can always just turn off voip.

[sycocys]

Voip = off --- the 2nd best decision I've made in regards to the play-ability of this game.

#1 was trolling around to find a unit of people that weren't children, so I'd have people to have actual conversations with.

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Lastly - Social PvP gaming is probably not a great place for people with Asperger's that also presents with depression. Your social cognitive abilities are already hindered, if agitating that part leads you into depressive episodes it would be a good idea to look elsewhere for entertainment.

Edited by sycocys, 17 February 2016 - 04:10 PM.

[1Grimbane]

yep just mute the tur.ds... that's what i do. i've known 5 people with aspergers.. 3 were little kids and very awkward but ok the third just turned 20 and the fourth is same age and my friend's roomate- and i've threatened to beat his *** more than once. very egotistical. not sure if that is part of aspergers however i have seen that trait in all of them. very very self centered and bratty. makes ya feel for the parents

Edited by 1Grimbane, 17 February 2016 - 04:06 PM.

[Aetes Nakatomi]

I have a friend who suffers from Asperger's and over the years I have seen people say some horrid things to him when he plays games. I want this game to grow and to show not all of are insensitive gits feel free to add me and if you want we can duo (or Trio if my Brother is online).

[sycocys]

1Grimbane, on 17 February 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

not sure if that is part of aspergers however i have seen that trait in all of them. very very self centered and bratty. makes ya feel for the parents

It's high functioning autism - mostly affects the areas of the brain that deal with social cognitive ability, so they just legitimately don't understand how to function "normally" in social settings. How they end up behaving as they grow older is almost entirely dependent on their surroundings, much the same as anyone else - they just don't have the little voice in their head that tells them when they are about to say/communicate something offensively or appropriately.

People like my brother, hard to guess he has it (he also has a Cleft Palate which is instant focus) but we also spend a lot of time even to this day (he's 32 this year) helping him work through social situations.

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OP, you can message Jonathan Paine or Divine Retribution and drop with my crew. We are adults that talk about adult stuff and if I recall there's a couple psychologists that keep the rest of us in line when we start getting too silly.

[Troutmonkey]

You've admitted that you can be thinned skinned and there's nothing wrong with that. You won't be able to change the abusive communications of some players, that's just how the Internet is. Everyone assumes everyone else can deal with it, so if you cannot the best course of action is to disable all forms of chat / VOIP and just play how you want.

Otherwise I'd say try taking up some of the unit invites that players have offered here. Maybe they can offer you a more pleasant experience. PUG games really showcase the worst kinds of behaviour sometimes.

[LordNothing]

i had gone to see a shrink to check me for aspergers, and she said that the whole damn thing got reshuffled into autism spectrum disorder. she said under the old rules i would have had aspergers, new rules say "your a jackass, get a damn job". i didnt even get a perscription for antidepressants even though i claimed to be suicidal.

and people wonder why there are so many shootings.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 February 2016 - 04:53 PM.

[Wildstreak]

@Percy Veer, interesting vids. Have you started using Consumables yet?

While you can turn off VOIP and Chat, it can have problems too. I remember once being on Alpine, I usually note at match start some things including who does not have a speaker to know who cannot hear VOIP. So acouple of guys use VOIP to give a plan and then complain someone was not following the plan. That guy was one of the 2 with no speaker, scouldn't hear the plan but he was on Chat describing a different plan. I had to both tell the VOIP guys about him and the other one who couldn't hear while chatting the plan to the 2 others with VOIP off. By the time I finally chatted the plan to the 2 guys, one went and got himself killed messing up the plan the rest of the PUG was actually following in one of those rare moments.

himself, on 17 February 2016 - 01:24 PM, said:

I think the question on everyone's mind is, why are you seeking acceptance or sympathy from random strangers on the internet?

People make up random feel-good "facts" in an attempt to understand other people and justify a stranger's actions in their eyes.

Because it is human nature to do that.

Also true some people make up "facts" to claim their ways/beliefs are superior to others and justify zero respect for others and their rights.

Alistair Winter, on 17 February 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:

I hope this guy and his IQ of 140 figured out that MWO can be a very enjoyable experience if you mute VOIP and all kinds of chat. It's not as socially rewarding, you don't get to experience teamwork in the same way, but it's still a good time if you like the core of the game.

Oh well.

Sometimes, see Alpine story in this post.

[PocketYoda]

Get some medical help, gaming may not be helping your conditions.

[LordNothing]

^ be advised name and shame is against the tos. you might want to edit your list to avoid moderation.

Cathy, on 17 February 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

Sadly ******* are not the sole property of Pugs, units have them to

i had to report almost an entire drop in cw once. the caller was screaming insults at the filler pugs, other members jumped in with their own abuse, there was a lot of intentional legging and team kills. it was generally the kind of game which makes players not want to join a team. and frankly their scores weren't that great either.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 February 2016 - 06:37 PM.

[Mister Blastman]

Just yell at the pugs like a drill sergeant. If that doesn't work, give up and go play another game. It usually does work... if you play during North American prime time hours of 8 PM EST - 1 AM EST.

As far as the rest of your post OP and things you bring up--none of that matters in MWO. Want to know what does matter?

Kicking butt.

That's it. That's all that matters. Want to matter? Kick butt.

And when you get mad, refer back to my second sentence from the start of this post.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 17 February 2016 - 06:57 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

I have Aspergers myself.

While there have been one or two juvenile idiots who have latched on to that thinking that insults somehow lessen me, or empower them, by and large I cannot say I have found it to have much impact, game to game, match to match or here on the forums.

I'm sure it had impacted my interactions, since I tend to be stubborn unless someone can actually prove me wrong, and I sometimes have trouble staying on the same page with conversations and debates, because neurotypicals seem so slow to update ideas and move on, getting caught in peripheral and pointless minutiae, and generally unable to see "big picture" how concepts interconnect and and interact.

So yes, I can find people frustrating, since logic and efficiency tend to be lacking both in game and on the forums.

But in spite of that, I can't say I am comfortable with aspergers being used as a catch-all shield, justification and excuse for all behaviors. Obviously on the spectrum we have all sorts of different perspectives, triggers, foci (mine tends toward the art assets), but even so, were are still responsible for our actions and words.

So while we indeed do see things, on the real world and the virtual through a vastly different lense than most of those around us, and one would hope for some degree of consideration from all toward those who may be wired different, be it because of autism, culture, etc, we are just as responsible to try to accommodate those around us who don't share our gift/burden/perspective.

It's no more their fault they seem illogical and slower to process data than it is ours we are slow as a general rule on all forms of social uptake.

Accommodation goes both ways.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 17 February 2016 - 06:58 PM.

[Zordicron]

Percy Veer, on 17 February 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

I have asperger's and an I.Q. measured in the 140's.

Yay for me.

I shall not read any comments to this post, and by logic, reply to this post.

You do know that the minority ruin this game for the many?

I have now turned to doing mass blocking and treating this game as a single-player experience.

I didi want to join in.

I know my voice can be grating, my tactics weird...but workable...

Anyway...I suffer triggers...my mental illness is not internal, but external...I build up experiences over time and that means your little comment here or there adds to it. It gets to a point I implode and became a total ***. Then I hate myself...go into depression and mood swings.

Right now I don't know what to say!

I'm enjoying Elite:Dangerous...I have a Force-feed-back Sidewinder 2 so it's cool.

Anyway...I win about 80% of games I've give verbal commands to.

I've been shot in the back by my own side, yelled at, and absolutey treated in an obnoxious way.

Okay...I'm asperger's...but I do my best to not be like that.

I have had so much abuse thrown at me that I...have walked away from my favourite game...and gone into serious depression.

I know I'm not amazing, and thrown by my ill-wired-brain I can be odd, but I often win battles when listened to.

It's sad really, and so wounding to the soul.

I am not sure if I should respond to this or not, I have found over the years it invites skepticism and various form of bile from people.....

I took a couple IQ tests several years ago. 170-174 depending on which one. I have a photographic memory. I have never gone to a proffesional to be diagnosed with whatever title they feel fits my personality, however after reading about my general "symptoms" as I like to call them(my personality traits that tend to clash with the norm) I decided I have some type of aspergers or other some such abnormality. Once I had decided this was the case, it wasn;t terribly difficult to become self aware of it, and force myself to be aware of it during social interactions.

I go through life knowing people will not understand me until they know me for a long while. I am awkward to say the least at social events, and keep home to myself when i am not at work. Joining a unit, as many suggest here, is akin to signing a will or marriage license in my mind, and is obviously not done so candidly, regardless of the fact it is simply MWO and internet robots. As such, my "unit" is me, my brother, my brother in law, and a friend. I pug. Being self aware allows me to tune out 99% of the trolls, and practicing my observation skills over the last 20 years has given me a fairly strong empathetic view on other individuals, which has in itself greatly reduced the strain of social interactions. Basically, I have trained myself to presume someone is being good willed first, rather then go with the instinctual interpretation created by my mind out of simple misunderstanding.

As it pertains to MWO, IF I allow it, it is a source of infinite frustration seeing failing teams simply make obvious(to me) tactical mistakes, mostly in positioning, because I have deduced the correct strategy to counter the situation at hand well ahead of time. "So why not tell the team!!?" you will ask.... because social interactions and communication is difficult with strangers. So I resign losses as "oh well"(usually) and move on, knowing people are people, and some blame falls to me because of my communication limitations.

My solution has been to stay off comms completely, and very rarely use chat for anything besides calling out an enemy location or rarely suggesting a tactic. In Pug land, it is a crap shoot if they follow a lead anyway, and the loudest trolls do not like being told what to do, or that their plan is wrong or caused a loss, or worst of all, they absolutely HATE being proven wrong when a suggested tactic of mine pans out perfectly in the face of the faulty one they had put out. So I just go with the flow, and it keeps tensions down, especially for me, and makes it much easier to stay detached from a tactical loss and the troll yells that follow. Mute, report, etc are the silent tools at your disposal to keep at peace with the virulent strangers.

Basically, despite intimate knowledge of a winning tactic designed through finely honed observation and simple mind power, it is better to keep quiet, let the normal folk call the shots and point fingers at each other when it doesn;t work out how they thought it would. Report and mute abusers, and remember this is just MWO, and when you shut it off, it is off and so are all the salty trolls until you turn it back on. It's just a game with some random strangers after all.




PS, it should be obvious by now that spelling has never been something I found enough interest in to apply myself at. Compounded with the total lack of interest in learning proper typing and my giant hands(I can touch left control and right control with one hand on my full size logitech keyboard, pinky and thumb) I look to spell at a 4th grade level lol.

Anyway:
People won;t understand you right away, make friends or if it is too hard be aware of it at the least.
A lot of it is ON YOU to become more self aware and empathetic of your fellow man. They don't have the issues you do, and you are perfectly capable of training yourself to be more aware of how you interact with people. Make an effort- in the real world it is up to you what you get out of life, expecting everyone else to cater to your needs is childish and illogical. Learn and adapt to your own limitations and work to overcome them one thing at a time.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Percy Veer, on 17 February 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

I have asperger's and an I.Q. measured in the 140's.

Yay for me.

I shall not read any comments to this post, and by logic, reply to this post.

You do know that the minority ruin this game for the many?

I have now turned to doing mass blocking and treating this game as a single-player experience.

I didi want to join in.

I know my voice can be grating, my tactics weird...but workable...

Anyway...I suffer triggers...my mental illness is not internal, but external...I build up experiences over time and that means your little comment here or there adds to it. It gets to a point I implode and became a total ***. Then I hate myself...go into depression and mood swings.

Right now I don't know what to say!

I'm enjoying Elite:Dangerous...I have a Force-feed-back Sidewinder 2 so it's cool.

Anyway...I win about 80% of games I've give verbal commands to.

I've been shot in the back by my own side, yelled at, and absolutey treated in an obnoxious way.

Okay...I'm asperger's...but I do my best to not be like that.

I have had so much abuse thrown at me that I...have walked away from my favourite game...and gone into serious depression.

I know I'm not amazing, and thrown by my ill-wired-brain I can be odd, but I often win battles when listened to.

It's sad really, and so wounding to the soul.

I knew a fellow with Asperger's back in community college. I don't know if I would consider him a friend, but I didn't push him away like others did, so we ended up hanging out some. He got banned from the local gaming club for throwing a tantrum after losing a fighting game tournament because no one would let him train at their house for it.

I'll give you the same advice I gave him:

No one owes you a damn thing. No one is obliged to put up with anything you say or do, or accept you for who you are. Your Asperger's syndrome doesn't entitle you to any kind of special treatment from anyone. It's nice when people treat you well, but I wouldn't expect it. On the same token, you don't owe them anything back, and you don't have to put up with their **** either.

This doesn't mean you should never try to interact with other people. That way lies madness. But understand that this is the internet, and humans can be far more cruel when the consequences of their cruelty can't look them in the face. Hell, people will say awful things even without the cover of anonymity. Just look at the Facebook comments on pretty much any news article.

[Kilo 40]

My son has aspergers, and I cringe anytime he posts something like a video of him playing his guitar on facebook.I know at some point some POS is going to tease him or try to bully him and it's not going to be pretty. but at the same time I can't shield him from real life.

[Kilo 40]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2016 - 06:57 PM, said:

I have Aspergers myself.


....

foci (mine tends toward the art assets)

it all makes sense now. I will never ever get annoyed by your quibbles over minor mech details again.

seriously.