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[Ted Wayz]

The Rifleman packs are lagging by half the Warhammer leaderboard participants. Hopefully this is just because people haven't logged on.

And the scores in comparison to the Warhammer...

The lowest Warhammer leaderboard score (2516, 50th) would put in or just outside the top 10 in all Rifleman boards.

The scores will only go up as the event progresses. So get in there and play...for science!

[Spheroid]

I really don't understand why you simply don't start a thread titled "PGI please buff the Rifleman". Everything you post seems be the most indirect method of communicating this.

Do you have a deep psychological understanding of discussion forums and the trigger words that generate views? I suppose to admit this would destroy the validity of the experiment.

The only other explanation is you are a bitter customer, but if you had only waited until the reviews the core value of the package would have remained minus the preorder bonuses which are hardly indespensable.

[Alistair Winter]

Although I don't think the Roflman is particularly OP (or UP), I'll just play devil's advocate and suggest the following:

The Warhammer was probably the more popular mech. More people bought it, more people participated in the challenge. As a result, scores were higher.

(I do think the Warhammer is a better mech, but there are probably several factors involved)

[Xavori]

Ted Wayz, on 20 February 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

The Rifleman packs are lagging by half the Warhammer leaderboard participants. Hopefully this is just because people haven't logged on.

And the scores in comparison to the Warhammer...

The lowest Warhammer leaderboard score (2516, 50th) would put in or just outside the top 10 in all Rifleman boards.

The scores will only go up as the event progresses. So get in there and play...for science!

Gee. A 70 ton mech scored higher on a kill/damage competition than a 60 ton mech. This is my surprised face

I'm gonna be just as surprised next month when the sun in Polar Highlands gets blotted out by the unending swarms of lurms, and even more surprised when the Kodiak comes out and the leaderboard scores utterly annihilate both the Warhammer and Rifleman scores.

p.s. If you first tested to see if the rifleman antenna can be hit from the side, including screenshots showing such, and then made a post about the rifleman needing hitbox tweaks, I might take you seriously. As is, you're a joke, and not a funny joke like the ones I make

[Dremnon]

I don't think the number of people buying mechs are a direct reflection of the scores. Riflemen are in general weaker than the Mauler and Warhammer for more than a few reasons. Keeping in mind that it is the lightest of the heavies, there is still nothing "unique" on any variant that you can't build better on a BJ or Jager or other mediums or heavies, quirks are heavily favoured to ballistics on mechs that are heavy on energy hard points, and any decent builds require XL engines, and these mechs are not XL friendly at all (quite surprised the ST hit boxes weren't fixed on the patch last week). Also at a top speed of just below 80 kph with the 290 engine cap, I find it really slow especially when you have to look at STD engine builds if you plan on surviving for any length of time.

The sub-par scores simply reflects a sub-par mech that needs a little love, and when the event is over I think the scores will reflect that when compared with the other two heavies and their scores released so far.

[Kyynele]

One of the reasons why the leaderboard scores are lowish is that the competitive players know the Rifleman isn't going to be OP in any way, and as such is not a "necessary" buy. And when there's not much competition, there's less effort involved.

I personally decided to save my Rifleman leveling to the event since it was obvious this would be one of the more casual leaderboards.

[Xavori]

Dremnon, on 20 February 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

I don't think the number of people buying mechs are a direct reflection of the scores. Riflemen are in general weaker than the Mauler and Warhammer for more than a few reasons. Keeping in mind that it is the lightest of the heavies, there is still nothing "unique" on any variant that you can't build better on a BJ or Jager or other mediums or heavies, quirks are heavily favoured to ballistics on mechs that are heavy on energy hard points, and any decent builds require XL engines, and these mechs are not XL friendly at all (quite surprised the ST hit boxes weren't fixed on the patch last week). Also at a top speed of just below 80 kph with the 290 engine cap, I find it really slow especially when you have to look at STD engine builds if you plan on surviving for any length of time.

The sub-par scores simply reflects a sub-par mech that needs a little love, and when the event is over I think the scores will reflect that when compared with the other two heavies and their scores released so far.

I think the hitboxes might need tweaked, espec since I do think the antenna is counting as CT no matter where it's hit from (but haven't had a chance yet to run a private match to test)

Other than that, I'm finding it to be an excellent assassin mech because while it's top speed is meh (espec since I'm running XL225 in both ballistics, and an XL40 in the 5d energy) , it's acceleration is amazing. And being able to just load up on DPS means that if you're patient and wait for an opponent to get distracted by a shiny, you can pounce and obliterated them before they ever get a chance to turn and waste your papermache self

[Ted Wayz]

Spheroid, on 20 February 2016 - 12:03 PM, said:

I really don't understand why you simply don't start a thread titled "PGI please buff the Rifleman". Everything you post seems be the most indirect method of communicating this.

Do you have a deep psychological understanding of discussion forums and the trigger words that generate views? I suppose to admit this would destroy the validity of the experiment.

The only other explanation is you are a bitter customer, but if you had only waited until the reviews the core value of the package would have remained minus the preorder bonuses which are hardly indespensable.

Indirect communication? o a thread titled "Rifleman DOA" wasn't direct enough LOL. You set the bar high.

After I read that nugget didn't bother with the rest you had to say.

Xavori, on 20 February 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

Gee. A 70 ton mech scored higher on a kill/damage competition than a 60 ton mech. This is my surprised face

I'm gonna be just as surprised next month when the sun in Polar Highlands gets blotted out by the unending swarms of lurms, and even more surprised when the Kodiak comes out and the leaderboard scores utterly annihilate both the Warhammer and Rifleman scores.

p.s. If you first tested to see if the rifleman antenna can be hit from the side, including screenshots showing such, and then made a post about the rifleman needing hitbox tweaks, I might take you seriously. As is, you're a joke, and not a funny joke like the ones I make

Top ten on all 4 leaderboards....

Dremnon, on 20 February 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

I don't think the number of people buying mechs are a direct reflection of the scores. Riflemen are in general weaker than the Mauler and Warhammer for more than a few reasons. Keeping in mind that it is the lightest of the heavies, there is still nothing "unique" on any variant that you can't build better on a BJ or Jager or other mediums or heavies, quirks are heavily favoured to ballistics on mechs that are heavy on energy hard points, and any decent builds require XL engines, and these mechs are not XL friendly at all (quite surprised the ST hit boxes weren't fixed on the patch last week). Also at a top speed of just below 80 kph with the 290 engine cap, I find it really slow especially when you have to look at STD engine builds if you plan on surviving for any length of time.

The sub-par scores simply reflects a sub-par mech that needs a little love, and when the event is over I think the scores will reflect that when compared with the other two heavies and their scores released so far.

Leaderboard scores do not scale with tonnage. One of the best Holiday Leaderboard mechs was the Jenner IIc.

The comparison to the Warhammer is due to similarity in leaderboard (1 mech, 5 variants) , has nothing to do with tonnage.

Kyynele, on 20 February 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

One of the reasons why the leaderboard scores are lowish is that the competitive players know the Rifleman isn't going to be OP in any way, and as such is not a "necessary" buy. And when there's not much competition, there's less effort involved.

I personally decided to save my Rifleman leveling to the event since it was obvious this would be one of the more casual leaderboards.

This is an assumption on your part. The bloodthirsty shut ins on the holiday leaderboard played all the mechs including the true glass cannon HBK IIc. And are you saying the Warhammer was/is a top tier mech?

Besides a few comp players not buying does not explain over 2000 less packs sold.

[Xavori]

Ted Wayz, on 20 February 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:

Top ten on all 4 leaderboards....

Wait. What? You're just making up BS now. I'll likely make top ten in one, but I don't even own all 4 rifleman. Then again, I stopped taking you seriously a couple dozen or so posts ago. You just want to b***h which is fine, and even can be therapeutic, but it does make you nothing more than entertainment.

Don't feel bad, tho. I consider pretty much all forum warriors to be little more than entertainment.

Again, if you want to be taken seriously, you have to make serious posts. If you just want to b***h, maybe you should try 4chan.

[Ted Wayz]

Xavori, on 20 February 2016 - 04:43 PM, said:

Wait. What? You're just making up BS now.

I invite everyone to peruse Xavori's posts in the "Rifleman DOA" thread. It might have been his first, easy to find. You will also find where he wouldn't take a bet that he would be Top Ten in one.

Keep trying kid. Someday you will make the big leagues...not.

[Kyynele]

Ted Wayz, on 20 February 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:

This is an assumption on your part. The bloodthirsty shut ins on the holiday leaderboard played all the mechs including the true glass cannon HBK IIc. And are you saying the Warhammer was/is a top tier mech?

I admit it's an assumption, but the fact is that there are only a handful of competitive players on those leaderboards, and there's pretty much a complete lack of really high profile comp players. Unless they're all waiting for the last possible moment to start playing, I think it's pretty safe to say that most of the best skipped this one.

Warhammer probably isn't quite top tier, but it certainly isn't bad. And, being 70 tons and more tanky in general, it does most of the things Rifleman can do, better. Including the things that are meta at the moment. After mastering, my WHMs have a combined KDR of 5.06, which is better than my TBRs, so I thought they performed pretty nicely. YMMV.

Rifleman really just has the high arm hardpoints going on for it, which is of course a nice thing to have.

[Karamarka]

If someone wants to gift me the rifleman I'l happily take it then. It may be terrible but cockpit looks cool.

[SkaerKrow]

The Warhammer is a much more popular mech, and probably fits into the game's meta a bit better. Meanwhile, the Rifleman has the unenviable position of being a 60 ton heavy, which is basically just a medium mech with diabetes. People complained about the Warhammer when it first released, as well. In the Rifleman, you have a mech with no missile points, that doesn't laser boat as well as the Warhammer, and that has some truly dreadful stock configuations. While it's too early to make a definitive proclamation about the Rifleman's power level, I don't believe that the Leaderboard numbers are conclusive evidence of its inherit inferiority.

Edited by SkaerKrow, 20 February 2016 - 09:41 PM.

[Xavori]

Ted Wayz, on 20 February 2016 - 05:09 PM, said:

I invite everyone to peruse Xavori's posts in the "Rifleman DOA" thread. It might have been his first, easy to find. You will also find where he wouldn't take a bet that he would be Top Ten in one.

Keep trying kid. Someday you will make the big leagues...not.

Yes. Go do that. It's way more important than anything else you could possibly be doing with your time. If you find where I said anything about top ten in all four rifleman, please let me know because it means either a)I'm suffering disassociative disorder and one of my other personalities posted it, b ) my account has been hacked by the NSA and they posted under my name because they want to discredit me before I reveal the secret lizardman who have infiltrated Majestic 12 in order to overthrow the Illuminati and take over our planet, or c) ya, you won't find any such thing because Teddy here is a really bad troll.

As for not taking a bet with a complete stranger over the Internet...well...duh. I mean, I know I'd honor any bet I actually made, but knowing nothing about you other than your pathetic communication skill, I have no idea if you value your integrity the same, and I have no desire to be the guinea pig who finds out. Besides, you never actually offered a bet, just used the word in a random sentence as if I take it seriously, which as you may have guessed by now, I don't.

Anyway, Teddy, gotta go. Matchmaker is calling and I really would like to squeeze a few more matches in before my next rl interruption.

Edited by Xavori, 20 February 2016 - 05:37 PM.

[Spheroid]

Actually Ted your "Rifleman DOA" thread was equally hyperbolic. I ask you again why you can't ask for a simple petition for quirk change.

Didn't you say in one of your many posts you have a good grasp on how real world organizations operate. Why do we need the theatrics? Also why do we need duplicate topics? Consider this an intervention.

Edited by Spheroid, 20 February 2016 - 07:12 PM.

[STEF_]

Ted Wayz, on 20 February 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

The Rifleman packs are lagging by half the Warhammer leaderboard participants. Hopefully this is just because people haven't logged on.

And the scores in comparison to the Warhammer...

The lowest Warhammer leaderboard score (2516, 50th) would put in or just outside the top 10 in all Rifleman boards.

The scores will only go up as the event progresses. So get in there and play...for science!

The wammy has 10 tons more.
Why the rolfman should do better or even equal to a 70 tonner?

Alistair Winter, on 20 February 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

(I do think the Warhammer is a better mech, but there are probably several factors involved)

Maybe those 10 tons of difference

[Hit the Deck]

Stefka Kerensky, on 20 February 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

The wammy has 10 tons more.
Why the rolfman should do better or even equal to a 70 tonner?


Maybe those 10 tons of difference

The shadowhawk is 10 tons more than the blackjack. Therefore, it should be better, right?

[Ted Wayz]

Stefka Kerensky, on 20 February 2016 - 08:50 PM, said:

The wammy has 10 tons more.
Why the rolfman should do better or even equal to a 70 tonner?


Maybe those 10 tons of difference

Again, not a tonnage comparison to Whammie. The leaderboards are the most similiar.

But by your logic why did the Jenner IIc outperform the HBK IIc? Tonnage is fairly irrelevant in MWO. Some mechs have more room for error than others.

[Mystere]

The better question is: How many are wearing diapers to hit the leaderboards.

[Ted Wayz]

Looks like the different chassis are performing fairly equal. Probably because, with the exception of the 5D, you could build pretty much the same mech with each. And even then they could all resemble with the 5D. And on top of that some of the ballistic have pretty decent energy quirks.

The population figures though...ouch.