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[Malachy Karrde]

I see a lot on these forums about how the LBX is worthless. Tonight I was killed and decided to spectate. I saw a guy with 2 lb 10s and a couple lasers literally take down anything he came against. He barely used his lasers. I also saw a dire wolf with 4 lb 10s do something similar. What gives? These guys both had over 600 damage and at least 4 kills each. I've never tried LBX weapons but I'm thinking of taking a serious look at them. If the meta heads don't like them....they should be fun eh?

[cazidin]

LBX is fun but the damage spreads. Really, its damage needs to be 0.11 or 0.12 per pellet, like IS SRMs.

[xWiredx]

I have a DWF with 2 LB-20 and 2 LB-5. It's a monster.

[El Bandito]

Malachy Karrde, on 19 February 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

I see a lot on these forums about how the LBX is worthless. Tonight I was killed and decided to spectate. I saw a guy with 2 lb 10s and a couple lasers literally take down anything he came against. He barely used his lasers. I also saw a dire wolf with 4 lb 10s do something similar. What gives? These guys both had over 600 damage and at least 4 kills each. I've never tried LBX weapons but I'm thinking of taking a serious look at them. If the meta heads don't like them....they should be fun eh?

He was probably just finishing off heavily wounded enemies. People can do that far more effectively with a couple of Large Pulse Lasers. Since the LBX damage spreads, doing big numbers is not as impressive as it appears.

Some mechs, such as the Legend Killer and the Cent-D, are heavily quirked with LB10X. That makes the weapon... passable. Fun to shoot though.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 February 2016 - 08:54 PM.

[Otto Cannon]

Doing well in spite of a bad weapon is not the same as doing well because of the weapon.

[Malachy Karrde]

I'm a pretty big fan of spreading damage. That's why I like lrms so much. Pinpoint damage is all well and good....if you get easy shots... but damage spread is nice for hitting faster targets.

[Davegt27]

Malachy Karrde, on 19 February 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

I see a lot on these forums about how the LBX is worthless. Tonight I was killed and decided to spectate. I saw a guy with 2 lb 10s and a couple lasers literally take down anything he came against. He barely used his lasers. I also saw a dire wolf with 4 lb 10s do something similar. What gives? These guys both had over 600 damage and at least 4 kills each. I've never tried LBX weapons but I'm thinking of taking a serious look at them. If the meta heads don't like them....they should be fun eh?

Any weapon that gets little use and then someone uses it kicks butt then it gets nerf again

It’s the cycle of MWO

imho

[Dingo Battler]

600 dmg with LBX is not unusual, but keep in mind, that a lot of that 600dmg is spread-out heavily. 20 dmg on CT is worth much more than 40 dmg spread out over 4 places.

LBX is trash compared to any other AC. They need to fix it soon, before the KDK comes out, because most spirit bears will be using an LBX, so they can fire and twist like an atlas, and they'll get a deluge of complaints then.

[Malachy Karrde]

El Bandito, on 19 February 2016 - 08:52 PM, said:

He was probably just finishing off heavily wounded enemies. People can do that far more effectively with a couple of Large Pulse Lasers. Since the LBX damage spreads, doing big numbers is not as impressive as it appears.

Some mechs, such as the Legend Killer and the Cent-D, are heavily quirked with LB10X. That makes the weapon... passable. Fun to shoot though.

no, at least one was pristine. I was really paying attention to the dire wolf because he had almost the same load out as me... where I run uac 5, small lasers and a brace or lrm 10, this guy had 4 lb5 a couple medium lasers and srm 6s. He seemed to kill that enemy banshee as fast as I kill them with my build. I was debating pulling a couple uac 5 and replacing with lb 5 to give myself some shotgun action against lights.

[El Bandito]

Malachy Karrde, on 19 February 2016 - 09:03 PM, said:

no, at least one was pristine. I was really paying attention to the dire wolf because he had almost the same load out as me... where I run uac 5, small lasers and a brace or lrm 10, this guy had 4 lb5 a couple medium lasers and srm 6s. He seemed to kill that enemy banshee as fast as I kill them with my build. I was debating pulling a couple uac 5 and replacing with lb 5 to give myself some shotgun action against lights.

No way an LBX5 boating Dire Wolf can kill an enemy as fast as a UAC5 boating Dire Wolf, unless the UAC5s jam badly. I used both configs on my Dire Wolves and the LBX version was decidedly inferior.

Sure, against fast moving Lights, the front loaded damage of LBX5 might be better, but I did not bring the slowest 100 tonner in the game to focus on Lights.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 February 2016 - 09:17 PM.

[FupDup]

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[Troutmonkey]

2xLB10X 4xSRM4 King Crab is mad fun and kicks *** in a brawl. I don't care if the damage spreads because I usually work my way in up close and wreck face at point blank

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

and LBX 60 dire is a beast..... until it runs out of ammo.

[Dawnstealer]

Malachy Karrde, on 19 February 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

I see a lot on these forums about how the LBX is worthless. Tonight I was killed and decided to spectate. I saw a guy with 2 lb 10s and a couple lasers literally take down anything he came against. He barely used his lasers. I also saw a dire wolf with 4 lb 10s do something similar. What gives? These guys both had over 600 damage and at least 4 kills each. I've never tried LBX weapons but I'm thinking of taking a serious look at them. If the meta heads don't like them....they should be fun eh?

One of my best Assaults is a dual LB10X Banshee. The trick is that it's extremely situational and you have to be patient. I don't know about the Clan range and spread on these things, but the LB20X doesn't feel great when it hits.

But it IS a shotgun, and to properly use a shotgun, you have to close. And if people already have exposed parts, they're going to die fast.

[Rehl]

I'm not very good, but I do usually have fun in my 2xLB10X firebrand. The trick seems to be avoiding eye contact until the red team is softened-up. They're also good for bunny blasting (read: light mechs that enjoy running in circles).

[wanderer]

Malachy Karrde, on 19 February 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

I'm a pretty big fan of spreading damage. That's why I like lrms so much. Pinpoint damage is all well and good....if you get easy shots... but damage spread is nice for hitting faster targets.

It's not how much damage you do, but how much damage you do to a killing location that matters in the end.

Spraying people across the full body isn't nearly as effective as the same damage-range AC firing solid shots into the same location. Same reason LRMs are a third-class weapon vs. direct fire weaponry. It takes more damage inflicted via spread to equal a lesser amount of direct damage.

[BigFatGator]

I ran Dual LBX in a JM6-S for a while and thought it was pretty good, until I swapped to AC10s. Then I realized, LBX is more fun but AC10 mostly more useful against competent opposition.

Only thing I run LBX in now are mechs with superquirks for it like the CN9-D and ON1-M. Both of which can be lolz to run.

[LordNothing]

i think if you leave everything that would normally be tweaked for balance alone, range, cd, etc. but change 2 things

higher pellet count
spread

tweak those and they might be more desirable. the spread needs to be about the size of a large light mech or small medium mech at the weapon's optimal range for its class. the pellet count needs to come up especially for the smaller guns, 2 pellets is kind of lame. the lb2 needs at least 8, and the lb5 gets doubled to 10 pellets, then maybe 15 and 25 for the 10 and 20. would also swing for 6,8,10,20 pellets if the spread was made nonlinear so that a majority of the pellets land closer to the center line.

Edited by LordNothing, 20 February 2016 - 05:51 AM.

[Malachy Karrde]

I think I am going to play with it a bit... I know my summoner has a decent amount of lbx quirks. Maybe building it to its strengths will make it less mediocre lol. I really Don't know how the clan lbx spread is compared to IS... it seemed to be tight enough from watching the guys using it. I'm getting bored as is...gotta do something to keep the game fun. Melting face with my uac5 dire is getting to be as easy as streaming lrms with my mad dog...and I haven't touched that mech except 1 time in the last few months.

[Rhaythe]

LBX *sounds* great!