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[Y E O N N E]

Even 15s aren't particularly good among LRMs. 10s are best.

[Barantor]

Yeonne Greene, on 23 February 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

Even 15s aren't particularly good among LRMs. 10s are best.

15s can work if you have artemis, line of sight and are under 300m, but that is a lot of ifs sometimes. IS ones seem to at least.

[Novakaine]

[Lightfoot]

LRMs are over-nerfed, you want laser-boats, that's how MWO is balanced. We had balanced LRMs, but PGI wanted Laser-vomit rules all so there you go.

[Wintersdark]

Lightfoot, on 23 February 2016 - 08:58 PM, said:

LRMs are over-nerfed, you want laser-boats, that's how MWO is balanced. We had balanced LRMs, but PGI wanted Laser-vomit rules all so there you go.

What? We have never had balanced LRM's. There has always been a disconnect between performance at skill levels. They've been balanced for specific skill levels from time to time, but never actually balanced.

[Triordinant]

Wintersdark, on 23 February 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

ECM isn't the iwin button it once was, AND this is not the only hero with ECM, AND there are other c-bill 70t ECM hero's

The only Hero right now that has ECM is a Locust, which is why nobody minds. I see this as PGI's test of what they can get away with. I'm still not 100% sure, but if a third Hero with ECM appears (especially a Heavy or Assault) I'll know I was right. You can believe whatever you want after that.

[Bishop Steiner]

Triordinant, on 23 February 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

The only Hero right now that has ECM is a Locust, which is why nobody minds. I see this as PGI's test of what they can get away with. I'm still not 100% sure, but if a third Hero with ECM appears (especially a Heavy or Assault) I'll know I was right. You can believe whatever you want after that.

Still ignoring the obvious and crucial factor. There is a f2p 65 and 70 tonner with ECM, thus there is an equivalent available without a paywall. Thus no, not p2w.

[Triordinant]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 February 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

Still ignoring the obvious and crucial factor. There is a f2p 65 and 70 tonner with ECM, thus there is an equivalent available without a paywall. Thus no, not p2w.

That's the TRICK. As long as the have a non-Hero ECM Heavy they can point to they can just keep making Heavy ECM Hero 'mechs. They just have to make sure it's better than a Cataphract and it'll sell.

[SQW]

Lightfoot, on 23 February 2016 - 08:58 PM, said:

LRMs are over-nerfed, you want laser-boats, that's how MWO is balanced. We had balanced LRMs, but PGI wanted Laser-vomit rules all so there you go.

Lasers are good for solo K/D hogs. A good balanced team with a few LRM boats can easily hold its own on most maps. If more people uses Narc or if the LRM boats carry their own TAG, pilots will realise just how dangerous current LRMs are.

Laser is just so easy to use and offers quick reward from minimal skill, the majority of the population understandably look down on LRMs. The close quarters of the old maps also doesn't lend well to layered firing positioning.

However, a bit more practice with LRMs and working with a decent support team will have LRMs absolutely dominate in the more open maps.

[Soultraxx]

I cant wait for the Archer to arrive, but Im not going to run mine straight away. I have a plan.

Even though the sun will be blotted out by lrms, the plains will be awash with tears and the bitter taste of salt will be in everyones mouth, I will be wading through it all in my AMS Kitfox smiling and whistling a happy tune. I may even paint it a happy purple pink colour.

Roll on its release day.

[chewie]

woa woa woa woa, just wait a second....



You mean, people buy these mechs based on what it can boat carry...


not what it is and what it looks like?????






Maybe thats one of the areas i've been going wrong then, buying something for what it is as well as what it can do....

Maybe i should wear the shoe on the other foot, and be THAT guy with the direUACwolf...


Maybe i shouldn't keep running mixed load outs.....


NAH. That'd mean actually thinking KDR is actually worth worrying about....

[Lupis Volk]

Yes. i upgraded to the collector and got the Hero.

[Wintersdark]

Triordinant, on 23 February 2016 - 10:21 PM, said:

That's the TRICK. As long as the have a non-Hero ECM Heavy they can point to they can just keep making Heavy ECM Hero 'mechs. They just have to make sure it's better than a Cataphract and it'll sell.

Such a cunning plan! Every hero should be utter junk, just to ensure none sell. That is clearly the way to go.

There are options, and those options aren't bad. The Archer hero having ECM isn't unique: there are other ways to bring ECM. If the archer hero was the only decent option, I'd agree with you.

But even if it's a good mech (PGI's track record here is mixed at best) its in no way p2w. There are plenty of c-bill mechs that are VERY likely to simply be better mechs, and there are lots of great ECM options... And ECM still isn't the force multiplier it once was. Even if your rather not go 0XP, its not like 70t heavy is your only option.

[Thorn Hallis]

I expect a SRM nerf a week or so after the Archer hits the battlefield.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

Thorn Hallis, on 24 February 2016 - 01:45 AM, said:

I expect a SRM nerf a week or so after the Archer hits the battlefield.

That would make me sad but as long as my LURMs still work..

[Steinar Bergstol]

Yes, yes I am looking forward to the Archer. It has always been, together with the Thunderbolt and Crusader, one of my go-to Heavy mechs ever since my early 3025 tabletop days in the 80's. Just missing the Crusader and Phoenix Hawk now to be able to say I can field the command lance (Thunderbolt, Archer, Crusader and Phoenix Hawk) of my late 80's Mechwarrior RPG mercenary company, Berg's Bulldogs. Ah, nostalgia, you are a powerful drug.

[Sunstruck]

Yep because the black knight 6 has dual AMS.

[Metus regem]

I might actually brake out the triple AMS Kit Fox for a week or two....

Edited by Metus regem, 24 February 2016 - 05:15 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Triordinant, on 23 February 2016 - 06:05 PM, said:

If the Tempest can only be gotten with real world cash and it's the only one with ECM then MWO is sliding down the P2W slope. To be fair, in most other online games P2W happens much sooner.

So you think the Tempest is going to be the best IS heavy mech? We shouldn't start this... there was already a thread dedicated to the P2W aspects of ECM on a hero mech (is the Pirate's Bane P2W as well?? I sure see those everywhere in competitive play.) Something tells me the Tempest won't be a #1 option. The best most meta you could go with would be 3xLPL, with a STD engine (if Mad Dog hit boxes are any indication, XL is going to be sketch) and ECM, that doesn't really sound dominating to me.

[Gas Guzzler]

Triordinant, on 23 February 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

The only Hero right now that has ECM is a Locust, which is why nobody minds. I see this as PGI's test of what they can get away with. I'm still not 100% sure, but if a third Hero with ECM appears (especially a Heavy or Assault) I'll know I was right. You can believe whatever you want after that.

Most of the time the only mechs with ECM in competitive drops (that I have seen) are Arctic Cheetahs. Maybe once in a while you will see a Hellbringer, but I think you are seriously over estimating the effectiveness of ECM. People even take the Griffin-3M over the 2N because structure quirks, better missile concentration, and I believe slightly better missile quirks are all more useful than ECM.