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[Amsro]

I gauss a lot, so ya know, I'm browsing zoom for a squishy spot.

[DGTLDaemon]

Trauglodyte, on 23 February 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

If you aren't in tier 1 and your entire build isn't centered around hitting targets at 800m or further, don't freaking buy and equip the module. This has been and will always be the biggest idiot trap in the world. I can't tell you how many times I see some yokel using it so that s/he can zoom in to use some type of laser on a target that is within 200m. If you can't freaking see something that close, don't play the game. What's worse, these people are using it against Light mechs whose speed just means that they get to zoom in on said target for a tenth of a second only to go blind and lose where that target now is. STOP!!!

It's not that simple. Here are a few examples, to illustrate that advanced zoom can be useful at sub-400 m and even at sub-200 m ranges if you are aiming at a specific part of a mech which is obscured by the reticle or difficult to make out against the background:

Edited by DGTLDaemon, 24 February 2016 - 01:35 AM.

[KHETTI]

Haven't used Adv. Zoom since Elo was introduced, stopped using it as i felt i was becoming a little to dependent on it, and that it was having a negative effect on my ability to aim accurately without it, so i sold them.
My play style has changed quite a bit since then, and i'm reconsidering using them, especially for extreme range engagements.

[Sader325]

DGTLDaemon, on 24 February 2016 - 01:34 AM, said:

It's not that simple. Here are a few examples, to illustrate that advanced zoom can be useful at sub-400 m and even at sub-200 m ranges if you are aiming at a specific part of a mech which is obscured by the reticle or difficult to make out against the background:

This thread is now worthless.

[Cyborne Elemental]

The only problem with the advanced zoom module, is that it doesn't sync up with the arm hardpoints.

[DGTLDaemon]

Sader325, on 24 February 2016 - 01:54 AM, said:

This thread is now worthless.

Care to elaborate?

[Sader325]

DGTLDaemon, on 24 February 2016 - 02:01 AM, said:

Care to elaborate?

Pictures debunk OP's claim.

[Raggedyman]

If I'm using anything over 400 meters or planning on scouting then I'll pack it every time, that extra zoom is very useful on the more open maps.

[Kyynele]

Sader325, on 24 February 2016 - 02:04 AM, said:

Pictures debunk OP's claim.

I wouldn't go that far. Mechs are much easier to make out against the background when there is movement involved, and I'd assume any sane person would just switch to thermal if they were having the slightest problems seeing the enemy mechs at those short ranges.

Also, why on earth is he comparing no zoom to advanced zoom? Shouldn't the comparison be regular zoom vs advanced zoom, to see what the actual benefit is for sacrificing a whole mech module slot for this? I'm personally pretty sure I would've been alright with regular zoom in all the examples, but that's of course subjective.

[Lugh]

Deathlike, on 23 February 2016 - 05:53 PM, said:

If you're not actually sniping, Advanced Zoom is not for you.

Even if you are sniping. Advanced zoom is probably not for you. It's hilarious how often you can get up to someone you know is sniping, and take 1 or two free shots on them before they even notice you.

[TexAce]

Ignorant much OP?

Si si, mucho ignorante.

Edited by TexAce, 24 February 2016 - 05:33 AM.

[Screech]

Yeah, targeting components at range is for noobs...

[DGTLDaemon]

Kyynele, on 24 February 2016 - 05:26 AM, said:

Also, why on earth is he comparing no zoom to advanced zoom? Shouldn't the comparison be regular zoom vs advanced zoom, to see what the actual benefit is for sacrificing a whole mech module slot for this? I'm personally pretty sure I would've been alright with regular zoom in all the examples, but that's of course subjective.

For me, a clear advantage of advanced zoom over regular zoom is that I can tell whether I am zoomed in or out by taking just a quick look at the screen. With regular zoom, I have to specifically check the numbers in the lower right corner to see what level of zoom I am at. Of course, I completely agree that this is a matter of subjective preference But personally I don't like regular zoom because it leads to all kinds of confusion - running into teammates, obstacles etc.

For the sake of fairness, though, let's do a couple of comparisons between no zoom/max. regular zoom/advanced zoom at sub-400 m ranges, and let everyone judge for themselves:

Edited by DGTLDaemon, 24 February 2016 - 06:14 AM.

[Sader325]

DGTLDaemon, on 24 February 2016 - 05:58 AM, said:

For me, a clear advantage of advanced zoom over regular zoom is that I can tell whether I am zoomed in or out by taking just a quick look at the screen. With regular zoom, I have to specifically check the numbers in the lower right corner to see what level of zoom I am at. Of course, I completely agree that this is a matter of subjective preference But personally I don't like regular zoom because it leads to all kinds of confusion - running into teammates, obstacles etc.

For the sake of fairness, though, let's do a couple of comparisons between no zoom/max. regular zoom/advanced zoom at sub-400 m ranges, and let everyone judge for themselves:

Debunked X2

[Bobzilla]

Some people do use it too much causing FF, being flanked/out of position. But I'm willing to bet they focus on a single target so much that the end result would be similar without it.

The best is when you're shooting at someone and they don't move because they have zoom on and think the shots are comming from somewhere else, so you only shoot when they poke, even tho they aren't behind cover at all.

[Thorqemada]

Sold my AdvZ - had it only on my 2x Gauss KC (L) and toyed around in CW killing there and then a Mech 1700m away...boring.

[MoonUnitBeta]

WW8Ball, on 23 February 2016 - 05:51 PM, said:

Don't say don't. I get some of my biggest laughs spectating folks trying to fight close range with advanced zoom.

Wait.. You're in T2 and seeing this? Yikes.

[Paigan]

I ... uhm ... lurked on a Black Knight today to pass a covering rock with 6xERML in advanced zoom at ~330 meters.
Black Knight died.

Was that wrong?

[Kyynele]

Sader325, on 24 February 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

Debunked X2

Please. You shouldn't have to be a jerk to assure yourself your module of choice is the greatest.

I personally can accept that some people think that Advanced Zoom has uses besides obviously in extreme sniping, but if you honestly think that the simple 2x zoom isn't enough to get the kills in those situations, you must not be very near the top end of T1, or are using less than optimal mouse sensitivity or suffering from some other unknown problem.

While Adv Zoom might be nice to have in specific situations, it also cleary puts you in a pretty deep tunnel vision mode, which could also count as a negative if you like maximum situational awareness. I personally find the 2x zoom much less distracting than the Adv Zoom, and thus more useful in typical gameplay.

In any case, if you can reliably hit things at 1km with Gauss/AC5/AC2/ERPPC without Adv Zoom, all Adv Zoom gives you is a bigger picture of the mech you hit.

Also please note that I personally have nothing against Adv Zoom module (I own a couple unused ones), and am genuinely interested if there's something that would prove it to be more useful to take than the traditional Radar Derp + Seismic ( +TIG, if 3 mech module slots ). So far I haven't seen anything bringing it up to par with the good modules. Of course, it is better than the total rubbish tier modules like Improved Gyros and Hill Climb, but even slighlty gimping yourself is still gimping yourself.

[LordNothing]

its kind of useless anyway since it doesnt work with trackir unless you disable tracking while you use it, its kind of pathetic.