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#21 Narcissistic Martyr

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 06:27 AM

View Postjss78, on 04 March 2016 - 12:46 AM, said:

There's a problem in this that they've already sold lots of Collector Packs, and for some buyers getting an S version of the original, classic PXH-1 might've been decisive. You'd be changing essential content after taking the money, so at least would need to be prepared for some refunds. (Personally, I find the PXH-2 more appealing as my ECM Hawk.)


Better idea,

For $20 all my damn hawks should be giving me a 15% cbill bonus so why not do that?

Edited by Narcissistic Martyr, 05 March 2016 - 06:27 AM.


#22 Xavori

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 07:43 AM

View PostNarcissistic Martyr, on 05 March 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:


Better idea,

For $20 all my damn hawks should be giving me a 15% cbill bonus so why not do that?


For $20 my hawks should all have ECM left torse ballistic right torso and 6 jumpjets so I can make a whole fleet of guass-based snipers :P

#23 Narcissistic Martyr

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 07:44 AM

View PostXavori, on 05 March 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:


For $20 my hawks should all have ECM left torse ballistic right torso and 6 jumpjets so I can make a whole fleet of guass-based snipers Posted Image


Mine is actually reasonable and might give people a reason to upgrade to the collector pack.

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 03:32 PM

I was looking at it from more of a Lore reason than value.

I agree that the Reinforcement Add-On is especially poor value and could stand to receive something; the Ultimate pack is also anything but 'ultimate' and should have had something extra as well.

Nevertheless, there are threads on the relative value of the PXH pack, whereas my campaign is based upon trying to fix another MWO Lore issue before it goes live. It stands to reason given that a Phoenix Hawk Special already exists that it should be the Special Phoenix Hawk Variant.

Make the PXH-1b the (S) variant!


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#25 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 05 March 2016 - 03:45 PM

View PostRAM, on 04 March 2016 - 12:34 AM, said:

Actually that is not the case. Yes, the special Clan mechs are based upon their prime configuration or initial variant; however, the special IS mechs have no such standard. Not to mention that the Steam Performance Packs use the Champion version rather than the default.

The Founder packs neither offered variants for purchase nor followed the current purchase procedure, so we can probably ignore them. The individual mech packs have been the default variant recently; however, the initial Urbanmech was not. Finally, the Resistance mechs include both default and alternates as the special variant.

Indeed, Bishop Steiner successfully lobbied Russ to change the Resistance Zeus from the ZEU-9S to the ZEU-6S, making the Zeus the only non-upgraded R1 mech! With any luck he will help us here.

Therefore we have plenty of precedent to fix this oversight Posted Image


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well, in fairness, the 6S was the most common version, having been in production for several hundred years, versus less than a decade. Thus I was actually pointing Russ to the most common version (I actually tried to get the 4R and 9Rs in, too, but yeah the Zeus I lobbied harder)

But I agree with the premise here, though I feel a little bad tweeting because I am massively biased toward that variant, so it is rather self serving. :(

View Postjss78, on 04 March 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:


Yeah, I think it all depends on which variant each person anticipates playing the most. You'd naturally want to have the "S" version for that variant, to maximize your C-bill earnings.

Personally, I'd rather have the S version for base version PXH-1. I plan to run the PXH-2 reinforcement with ECM and the 1b seems a bit redundant. (Prefer the hardpoints on the PXH-2 vs. 1b.)

But if most other people would prefer the PXH-1b as the S variant, then that's fair enough, and I'll have no issue with making the change.

For people who didn't get the reinforcement pack, I can see the appeal of having an S version of PXH-1b, as that's the only one with ECM for those people.

my biggest push, and one I would love to see the Forums support would solve this for everyone. Which is to make the (S) into a Token that we the Customer/Player get to choose which mech it is placed on, as a 1 time decision, like choosing our faction content.

Then everyone could have their preferred Special, without anyone else getting crapped on. And since they are not using unique geometry on them anymore, there is literally nothing holding it back that I can determine.

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 06:35 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 05 March 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

well, in fairness, the 6S was the most common version, having been in production for several hundred years, versus less than a decade. Thus I was actually pointing Russ to the most common version (I actually tried to get the 4R and 9Rs in, too, but yeah the Zeus I lobbied harder)

But I agree with the premise here, though I feel a little bad tweeting because I am massively biased toward that variant, so it is rather self serving. Posted Image

Absolutely understood - the Zeus is a classic mech. I was expecting that they would swing one way or the other rather than just changing one of them. Fortunately that is not the issue here.

PGI talks about wanting to include and bring in more of the lore. The Phoenix Hawk Special is a very easy way to do it. One of the pictures even talks about Youngblood in reference to the Special, and he does not drive a PXH-1...

You do lots for the community; if you believe it is for the best (and I certainly believe it is) then whether it is self-serving or not is rather irrelevant… One tweet just helps to indicate your agreement.


View PostBishop Steiner, on 05 March 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

my biggest push, and one I would love to see the Forums support would solve this for everyone. Which is to make the (S) into a Token that we the Customer/Player get to choose which mech it is placed on, as a 1 time decision, like choosing our faction content.

Then everyone could have their preferred Special, without anyone else getting crapped on. And since they are not using unique geometry on them anymore, there is literally nothing holding it back that I can determine.

Definitely a good idea as well. You tweet mine and I will tweet yours Posted Image

A company claiming to be faithful to lore will be judged on their deeds not their words and their current deeds are being judged harshly. Making the Phoenix Hawk Special the Special Phoenix Hawk would help to rectify their error.

Ultimately I have already bought the pack; having this oversight corrected would see me actual play it. Thanks for your time, cheers!


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#27 Imperius

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 06:50 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 05 March 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

well, in fairness, the 6S was the most common version, having been in production for several hundred years, versus less than a decade. Thus I was actually pointing Russ to the most common version (I actually tried to get the 4R and 9Rs in, too, but yeah the Zeus I lobbied harder)

But I agree with the premise here, though I feel a little bad tweeting because I am massively biased toward that variant, so it is rather self serving. :(


my biggest push, and one I would love to see the Forums support would solve this for everyone. Which is to make the (S) into a Token that we the Customer/Player get to choose which mech it is placed on, as a 1 time decision, like choosing our faction content.

Then everyone could have their preferred Special, without anyone else getting crapped on. And since they are not using unique geometry on them anymore, there is literally nothing holding it back that I can determine.


I've already asked this, it won't happen, they didn't even consider letting you wear the hero camo (if you bought the hero) on the non-hero variants.


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Posted 06 March 2016 - 10:17 PM

View PostImperius, on 06 March 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

I've already asked this, it won't happen, they didn't even consider letting you wear the hero camo (if you bought the hero) on the non-hero variants.


What does this have to do with the OP's or Bishop's requests?

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 03:58 AM

View PostImperius, on 06 March 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

I've already asked this, it won't happen, they didn't even consider letting you wear the hero camo (if you bought the hero) on the non-hero variants.

What specifically have you asked for? Reusing Hero Cam? (S)pecial variant tokens? The PSH-1b (S)pecial variant?

Regardless, I do not believe that PGI’s refusal to allow Hero Cam to be ported to other mech variants automatically disqualifies either Bishop’s or my suggestions as all three are fairly distinct issues/suggestions.


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#30 SmoothCriminal

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 04:30 AM

Also think its a good idea to be able to move your (s)/(o)/(I) token within each mech pack. Though this might devalue certain hero variants (why waste extra $$ on an inferior boosted variant?).

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 04:39 PM

View PostSmoothCriminal, on 07 March 2016 - 04:30 AM, said:

Also think its a good idea to be able to move your (s)/(o)/(I) token within each mech pack. Though this might devalue certain hero variants (why waste extra $$ on an inferior boosted variant?).


You mean being able to move the Special variant bonus around at will?

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 08:00 PM

View PostSmoothCriminal, on 07 March 2016 - 04:30 AM, said:

Also think its a good idea to be able to move your (s)/(o)/(I) token within each mech pack. Though this might devalue certain hero variants (why waste extra $$ on an inferior boosted variant?).

Providing my comprehension is correct, this is what I believe Bishop is requesting with his proposal: the ability to select the (S) variant oneself. This is a significant change and may not be able to be implemented before June when the Phoenix Hawk deploys.

Conversely it is simplistic in comparison to merely correct the confusing naming convention currently being employed by PGI. The PXH-1b Phoenix Hawk ‘Special’ could easily be made the Special Phoenix Hawk, alleviating this lapse in lore!


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#33 Ryllen Kriel

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 11:53 PM

For $85 the Special Phoenix Hawk should be able to transform into an aerospace fighter. Posted Image

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 06:46 AM

View PostRyllen Kriel, on 07 March 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

For $85 the Special Phoenix Hawk should be able to transform into an aerospace fighter. Posted Image


PHX-HK would be special indeed!

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 08:36 AM

So does the Phoenix Hawk really hold a pistol?? Or is that just a gun stuck on his arm?

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 04:46 PM

View PostXoco, on 08 March 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

So does the Phoenix Hawk really hold a pistol?? Or is that just a gun stuck on his arm?


It's just a prop that flashes lights and makes intimidating noises! Posted Image

Actually I was wondering this very same thing, whether the weapon geometry changes due to custom loadouts or not. It would be be rather impressive if it did.

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 07:04 PM

View PostRyllen Kriel, on 08 March 2016 - 04:46 PM, said:

Actually I was wondering this very same thing, whether the weapon geometry changes due to custom loadouts or not. It would be be rather impressive if it did.


It will be very cool if it does! Even cooler if they fix the Phoenix Hawk Special as well!

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Posted 13 March 2016 - 02:04 AM

View PostIntrepid, on 08 March 2016 - 07:04 PM, said:

It will be very cool if it does! Even cooler if they fix the Phoenix Hawk Special as well!

Yes indeed...


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Edited by RAM, 13 March 2016 - 02:04 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 03:07 AM

I just received the standard Support response to my submission... any other news?

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Posted 16 March 2016 - 05:48 PM

View PostIntrepid, on 15 March 2016 - 03:07 AM, said:

I just received the standard Support response to my submission... any other news?

Yes, I heard from Tina thanking me for providing feedback; unfortunately nothing more substantial.


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