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[Bilbo]

mogs01gt, on 09 March 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Correct, that is exactly what I was explaining.

If you care about kdr, then stop worrying about tier. If you care about tier, stop worrying about kdr. It's easier to manipulate tier than it is to manipulate your kdr.

You probably shouldn't have prefaced your explanation with this then"
"If you have a kdr below 1, you probably wont be getting into tier 2 or 1. Typically you'll need a minimum kdr of 2.00 to hit tier2 and then into tier1."

[Triordinant]

mogs01gt, on 09 March 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

It's easier to manipulate tier than it is to manipulate your kdr.

Not sure if that's true, but it doesn't really matter since both are easy to manipulate:

http://mwomercs.com/...34#entry4069934

Note: this was written long before PSR.

[mogs01gt]

Bilbo, on 09 March 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

You probably shouldn't have prefaced your explanation with this then"
"If you have a kdr below 1, you probably wont be getting into tier 2 or 1. Typically you'll need a minimum kdr of 2.00 to hit tier2 and then into tier1."

I separated both thoughts into paragraphs...I guess people arent smart enough to see I was addressing the OP's concerns with his KDR.

Triordinant, on 09 March 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

Not sure if that's true, but it doesn't really matter since both are easy to manipulate:
http://mwomercs.com/...34#entry4069934
Note: this was written long before PSR.

They both are but only one(dmg/match score) has directly affects on tier. You can get multiple kills and be below 100 dmg. I've done it with an ac20 hitting red CT's. Match ended very fast, 2 kills 80 dmg and my psr went down.

Edited by mogs01gt, 09 March 2016 - 10:45 AM.

[Sandpit]

mogs01gt, on 09 March 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

If you have a kdr below 1, you probably wont be getting into tier 2 or 1. Typically you'll need a minimum kdr of 2.00 to hit tier2 and then into tier1.

uhm no
lol

[Roadkill]

Zerberus, on 09 March 2016 - 08:38 AM, said:

I think after 5 years one should slowly know the difference between the match score column closest to the players name and the damage column on the far right next to the ping., haha

Well I dunno about you, but I manage to mis-read them all the time. LOL

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Again, I'll see if I can get a few screens later, assuming I don't forget to take them and just enjoy the game like I normally do.

I hear ya. I rarely take screenshots... it just doesn't occur to me. I'm not one of those guys who screenshots both end screens after every single game. (Yes, they apparently exist!)

[3xnihilo]

I am just about to the middle of tier 4 and felt like I was stalling out despite having really good rounds. So I started taking a screenshot of the PSR bar at the end of each play session and comparing it to the previous one. It moves slowly over a few rounds, but I can clearly see that it is still climbing. I think because at the center of the bar there are less visual markers, it feels like it is not moving. When you are close to the beginning an 1/8" is huge, in the middle it is unrecognizable.

Edited by 3xnihilo, 09 March 2016 - 02:19 PM.

[Vxheous]

mogs01gt, on 09 March 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

If you have a kdr below 1, you probably wont be getting into tier 2 or 1. Typically you'll need a minimum kdr of 2.00 to hit tier2 and then into tier1.

The easiest way to gain tier is to use missiles since they tend to supply high amounts of damage vs pp weapons. In other words, focus on damage and manipulating your PSR rather than worrying about having a high kdr. Mainting a high kdr and trying to gain PSR tiers will be rough.

<--Tier 1, 1.32 KDR (although all my go to quickplay mechs are all 2.5+ KDR), 1.31 W/L. I also only ever play quick matches when there is a weekend event on that requires them. I spend the bulk of my time in CW (which has no bearing on my Tier). I rarely see a down arrow on PSR on losses, usually see a = sign.

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 09 March 2016 - 01:47 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Bilbo, on 09 March 2016 - 07:28 AM, said:

New accounts have accelerated PSR advancement to get the sharks out of the kiddie pool. Keep playing games on the old account and the bar will eventually go up.

Also, your looking at the wrong numbers. The only number that matters is match score. Good info about PSR here:
http://mwomercs.com/...-as-best-i-can/

Dmg is 50% of your Match score, not to mention each pt of Dmg equals 21 cbills.


Dmg matters, but only half as much as people think.

Edited by Revis Volek, 09 March 2016 - 01:48 PM.

[Deathswarrior]

I posted this on the other PSR topic but it fits here...

My advice is for you to pick a Mech and learn to play it, And I mean really learn to play it, not in 20 games more like 200-300. once you have been in the same mech for that long you will know how to play IT. If you cannot help "carry" your team at that point it may not be the Mech/weight class for you, or you are indeed at your skill cap and might want to consider "training"(videos,tutorials,other players, units for help)

I've played Dragons as my main Mech since a little bit before the Flame/Fang release, always hated the Fang.
I came to realize it wasn't the Fangs fault but my own and how I tried to force it to operate.I played more of it and learned how "I" should play it and now I get consistent scores and mostly green arrows.

Just keep at it you will get better

[Bilbo]

Revis Volek, on 09 March 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

Dmg is 50% of your Match score, not to mention each pt of Dmg equals 21 cbills.


Dmg matters, but only half as much as people think.

Unfortunately, high damage numbers become harder to come by as you rise in tiers. Best to learn how to affect a match positively while you are playing in the lower tiers than to find you are now treading water in the higher tiers because your teammates are actually getting work done too more often than not.

[Revis Volek]

Bilbo, on 09 March 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

You probably shouldn't have prefaced your explanation with this then"
"If you have a kdr below 1, you probably wont be getting into tier 2 or 1. Typically you'll need a minimum kdr of 2.00 to hit tier2 and then into tier1."

lolz, 2.0 Kdr to get to t2? Says who?

Bilbo, on 09 March 2016 - 02:12 PM, said:

Unfortunately, high damage numbers become harder to come by as you rise in tiers. Best to learn how to affect a match positively while you are playing in the lower tiers than to find you are now treading water in the higher tiers because your teammates are actually getting work done too more often than not.

If you cant get 250-500 dmg a match in a t2 to t1 game you dont deserve to be there.


end of story


and again, DMG is 50% of you match score, if you cant put down dmg AND play like a team you are only doing half the job and dont belong in t2 or higher anyway. Like i said before.

Edited by Revis Volek, 09 March 2016 - 02:16 PM.

[Bilbo]

Revis Volek, on 09 March 2016 - 02:15 PM, said:

lolz, 2.0 Kdr to get to t2? Says who?





If you cant get 250-500 dmg a match in a t2 to t1 game you dont deserve to be there.


end of story


and again, DMG is 50% of you match score, if you cant put down dmg AND play like a team you are only doing half the job and dont belong in t2 or higher anyway. Like i said before.

I avg 300. In the best games, where it seems to me the whole team worked well, pretty much everybody has around that. It's not what I would consider high damage though. High damage games alone could get you through the lower tiers though, and then, like I said before, you are going to be treading water when everyone else is contributing and you can't manage those numbers anymore.

[Roadkill]

Revis Volek, on 09 March 2016 - 02:15 PM, said:

DMG is 50% of you match score

Not true.

50% of damage is added to match score, which is not the same thing.

Typically, damage accounts for 70-80% of your match score, but it can vary significantly.

[CDLord HHGD]

Yeah I have issues with my Tier ranking. No matter what I do I am inevitable creeping towards T2... NOOOOOOOO!!

[wanderer]

cdlord, on 09 March 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

Yeah I have issues with my Tier ranking. No matter what I do I am inevitable creeping towards T2... NOOOOOOOO!!

Start running a utility-Kit Fox. NARC, ECM, triple AMS,

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...aa8fb378a7360fb

You may feel useful, but your match score won't notice.

[Metus regem]

cdlord, on 09 March 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

Yeah I have issues with my Tier ranking. No matter what I do I am inevitable creeping towards T2... NOOOOOOOO!!

CD, just take out a LOLcut or a toolbox kit fox... you'll do almost no damage, die and drag your PSR down....

I can give you some fun LOLcust builds or a Kit Fox Tool Box build....

[Revis Volek]

Roadkill, on 09 March 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

Not true.

50% of damage is added to match score, which is not the same thing.

Typically, damage accounts for 70-80% of your match score, but it can vary significantly.

According to some very extensive testing done by Mcgral, this is wrong and we found it to be 50%. You have some proof otherwise? id be very curious to see, maybe my breakdown is wrong.

Info would be great for science if you can come up with it Roadkill, ty in advance.


I could be wrong though as we never had official word from PGI about any of it.

[CDLord HHGD]

wanderer, on 09 March 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

Start running a utility-Kit Fox. NARC, ECM, triple AMS,

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...aa8fb378a7360fb

You may feel useful, but your match score won't notice.

Metus regem, on 09 March 2016 - 03:06 PM, said:

CD, just take out a LOLcut or a toolbox kit fox... you'll do almost no damage, die and drag your PSR down....

I can give you some fun LOLcust builds or a Kit Fox Tool Box build....

But I already do. I love my LOLcusts and I did very well in my Kit Fox with just a single CERPPC.

[Bilbo]

cdlord, on 09 March 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

But I already do. I love my LOLcusts and I did very well in my Kit Fox with just a single CERPPC.

In which case, you are invariably screwed. Just prepare yourself to embrace the suck!

[CDLord HHGD]

Bilbo, on 09 March 2016 - 03:24 PM, said:

In which case, you are invariably screwed. Just prepare yourself to embrace the suck!

I was afraid of this....